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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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monsters

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they exist among us and sometimes they

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even the devil was an angel once

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the world has its own rules

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and these rules are not human

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some of us seek answers to the origin

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and existence of cryptids in the

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unexplained

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join us as we venture beyond the known

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and accepted boundaries

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welcome to our nightmare

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folks good evening and welcome to

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families of monsters radio where we

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explore the unexplained live here on

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fans of monsters radio

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i'm your host lon stricker coming to you

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within a candid shot of historic

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gettysburg pennsylvania thanks for

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now tonight we've got

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uh four guests with us uh on our cryptid

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round table and we're gonna occasionally

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be doing these round tables with

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different guests

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uh so we can kind of get a lot of

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different perspectives on in in our

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discussions so first

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i've got josh wolf turner host of

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paranormal roundtable joining us he's a

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proud texan who grew up around the

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paranormal supernatural having many

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personal experiences in witnessing

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otherworldly phenomena

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josh is a master storyteller who has

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been collecting paranormal stories as a

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personal passion since his experience

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with upright canine changed his life as

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a young man

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opening his eyes to the paranormal

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paranormal round table has live shows

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every tuesday night and new content

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every friday night premiering shows on

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different paranormal topics

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also joining us is ron murphy the crypto

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guru has been investigating the stuff of

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nightmares for 30 years

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uh he has delved deeply into the shadows

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to shed light on things that go bump

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into night meticulously research the

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historical and psychological context of

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myths and legends from around the world

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ron seeks to uncover the monsters that

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haunt our collective thoughts

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also we have kenny w irish otherwise

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known as a cryptopologist

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he's an author hardcore punk musician

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and sales marketing professional

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vermont he has recently relocated to the

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beautiful adirondacks area of upstate

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he has a lifelong love of folklore

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legends monsters and ufo stories

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he has regularly attended and spoke at

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writers groups and various other

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platforms across the country

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he has a passion for writing young

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readers chapter books you can also catch

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ybs radio show along with gary robusto

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and last of all we have elijah henderson

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he's the owner of crypto cryptid studies

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institute he is the host of youtube

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series nightmare nuggets of cryptid

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terror and has been engaged in the

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cryptid field since 2002

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when he is not editing or creating the

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latest nightmare nugget he enjoys active

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research in the field elijah has become

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a public speaker

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since he's been 11 years old

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so guys thanks for coming on this

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evening

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it's a pleasure to be here my friend

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well thanks for the invite

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i wanted to say something to you and

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kenny before we get started you guys

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have been very gracious and uh helping

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in me and supporting me and

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with your books and all of your work and

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kenny thank you for those

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books that was really that was a very uh

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i think ken you're you're going to be

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next book is going to be great and i

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appreciate uh everything you've done

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for our community and elijah

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absolutely uh good friend and i'm i'm

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happy to be here and i'm happy to to

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meet you tonight ron

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so thanks for the invite guys hey josh

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thanks again vincent and i thanks uh

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the ones that i haven't met yet

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what's that what's that josh i said we

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haven't met in person but you've been on

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my show and yeah actually yeah you did

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alive before he lost his life to covid

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you were on my show and and we've spoken

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on the phone multiple times but never

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so cryptids we're going to talk about

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cryptids and you know i want you guys to

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be open as much as possible you know i

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like to get all kinds of ideas theories

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on what we think about cryptids and that

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well lon we've talked about this um

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colleagues who believe that sasquatch is

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a flesh and blood creature and i have

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colleagues that think it's completely

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i think that it's both and i've even you

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they could come from the inner earth

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it comes to dog man like lon you've

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having like a silver glow to them i've

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phantoms and monsters i think that's a

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i think the the silly the silliest idea

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is that they're all just some sort of

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undiscovered species because i don't

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the lack of bodies the lack of real

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it just makes it hard to believe that

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these beings are out there all the time

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indigenous species that they're not seen

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cryptids for the most part

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thoughts on the theory of these cryptids

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dogman you know they're looking for

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i have interviewed plenty of people who

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have seen bigfoot and ex you know

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that i've had even though i've never

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seen anything

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seen foot foot waves you know track

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nowhere and disappearing into nothing as

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family owned phantoms and monsters

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that makes the most sense um

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people are seeing something out there

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there is something that comes into this

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world and is tangible enough to leave

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tracks or to leave behind error or to

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leave behind a scratch mark or something

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like that but again from all of my

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research there is no way they could be

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predators overlapping a very limited

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area you know people will be stumbling

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upon these things all the time if they

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were indeed a part of our world they

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have to eat they have to make babies

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cryptid you know now if they're

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self-aware that's one thing you know

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being self-aware but knowing that they

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own livelihood that's a very important

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something that here that cannot be

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really depends on what day it is there's

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i mean i've had

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periods where i'm just like okay we're

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talking flesh and blood and then periods

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where we're talking extraterrestrials so

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and you know i i i really

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agree with what um uh josh and ron has

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said so far um that

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there's there's got to be more to it

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especially as we

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continue to let's say knock down forests

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and build you know highways and

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different things like that i mean it's

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it's you would think that you would be

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seeing a lot more but

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we are but we aren't and so i i don't

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know you know um i i definitely you know

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i've talked to some uh incredible people

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that have said to me

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that you know they've seen something

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right in front of them that appeared to

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be some type of sasquatch some type of

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dog man being and then it just kind of

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like crumble and disappear in front of

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them um so it really

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again it really comes down to you know

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what i'm studying at the time or what

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i'm looking into at that point in time

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but i at one point in time when it came

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to sasquatch i was 100 flesh and blood

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and i'm i'm like 50 now um it's just the

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more people i talk to the the the more

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things that that i come across and um it

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just really is kind of

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i don't know plus i i also think to you

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know to be somebody that

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studies this subject or or looks into it

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um

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if you kind of draw that line in the

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sand and say this is what i believe i

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think you're gonna miss out on a lot i

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think you're gonna miss out on learning

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a lot too as well

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yeah if i could piggyback on that real

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quick i know that we haven't been to

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everybody but that's absolutely the case

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um i think that whenever we're in this

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field

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you have to keep your eyes open and your

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mind completely open it's okay to be

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skeptical we have to be skeptical about

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things but there are a lot of

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researchers out there that believe that

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this is a flesh and blood animal and

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anything that they get as a report that

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is outside of that

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idea that they've already

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projected onto this this animal they

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throw it away so we're losing a lot of

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of of evidence we're losing a lot of

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research because if you stand so if you

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if you if you dig your feet into the

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ground and you only think that it's one

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thing we're losing out on all this

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research is being thrown away whenever

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somebody tells them something that's

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different than what they believe

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okay how are you elijah what are your

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thoughts

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well brother in my case i kind of i

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stand with uh

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largely what josh said kind of

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kind of in the middle of i've always

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been of the persuasion that

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bigfoot was a flesh and blood creature

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you know i've got

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hair samples here that was gathered by

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researcher mary green i'm sure you all

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know who she is

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and uh they came back from the

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laboratory as undocumented primate so i

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do believe there's a physical aspect

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there

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but i'm also a hardcore

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adventist christian i believe that you

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know fallen angels do

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their own work too i believe they

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deceived many of people and that would

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account for

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your dogman sightings and bigfoot

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sightings that just appear and disappear

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your dogman sightings where it gives

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people malicious evil grins and just

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seems to

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enjoy terrorizing people but i also

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believe that there is a

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a certain number of something physical

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out there as well you know uh

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in the case of dog man you know uh and

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land between the lakes miss linda

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godfrey wrote about a story where

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a gentleman seen a dog man mother

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going across the road with a couple of

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pups which would seem to imply something

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of a physical nature which you know

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could reproduce and you know in the case

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of big feet you know you find scat in

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the woods you find prince

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evidence that it

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tampered with the terrain

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you find where it tore open

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you know falling down trees and dug out

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a worm which i don't think of a anything

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of a spiritual nature is probably going

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to do

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so i i genuinely think it's a kind of a

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mix of things you got going on there

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you know

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real quick i just wanted to um respond

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to something elijah just said um

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and and

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that's what i kind of mean when i say

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that you know i kind of go back and

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forth like for instance when individuals

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talk about um these beings being

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extraterrestrial

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um where you know some some people may

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not but um you know anytime we talk

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about anything that's extraterrestrial

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it's never really in a spirit realm um

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it's always been kind of physical like

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you know people talk about the grays and

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and different types of um

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you know extraterrestrial life form i've

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always seen that as flesh and blood so

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um if something is based and and that's

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the thing i mean a lot of the time when

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we think of something that's coming out

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of the sky we think of the et you know

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we think we think of you know the these

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thin bodies with these these

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awkward shaped heads uh but then when

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you watch star wars you know movies that

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have to do with like you know out of out

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of outer space and and out of the uh um

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the earth i mean you've got chewbacca

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you've got all these different creatures

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with all these different looks so

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um and you know and again to touch on

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what elijah said too i'm a christian as

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well and i believe that there's a evil

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side and then there's there's there's

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there's angels and um yeah i mean i i've

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had people actually tell me that when

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the mothman gets brought up that they

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believe it was actually a possessed man

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or an actual demon so

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um it's just i mean you can go around

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and round and round with all these uh

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different uh

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subjects and theories but that's

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actually what keeps me coming back to it

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is just the the unknown and the the vast

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um

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unexplained that that goes along with it

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well

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i i personally believe for the most part

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and you know

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i've been doing this for a long time i

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had encounters and uh you know when you

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see something standing in front of you

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first thing you think is well this thing

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is real it's flesh and blood and maybe

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what i saw was indigenous maybe it was

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something you know that

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is out there in in flesh and blood but

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lives on the earth lane

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and i think in in the case of bigfoot

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that there's some areas where these

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these things are indigenous i'm talking

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about the pacific northwest

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florida

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around the the gulf coast i think i

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think that may very well be true

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but i also believe

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that for the most part the cryptids that

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we see

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are ultraterrestrials and when i say all

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to terrestrials i believe

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they have the ability

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to come in and out from another linear

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dimension

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but are flesh and blood

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uh they appear for a fleeting moment for

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most part

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and that they are um

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but they are flesh and blood they have

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the ability to do that somehow

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now that's just my theory and you know i

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might that theory has kind of been

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bolstered a bit

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by some of these encounters and these

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cases we've had in chicago with these

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winged humanoids

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and uh i i'm starting to believe that a

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lot of what

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we're discovering may very well apply to

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a lot of the cryptids that we encounter

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i wanted to say something

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i saw ken gerhart there i say can i

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he's a colleague of ours but uh

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ken is a big

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he put on their apr for life

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okay ken is in the field what is known

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as an apr like he explained that to on

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my show one night what what he believes

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is that they're solid flesh blood that

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he made a post one day on facebook and

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you know and facebook is just powder keg

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stuff you know whatever but he made a

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post saying that dog man is not

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encrypted but he doesn't believe it's a

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cryptid and then everything just

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exploded you know boom boom you know

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well i tend to agree with that and i

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caught some heat for that because i was

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asked by multiple people if i thought it

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was a crypt and i said no i don't think

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it is to me a cryptid is like you know

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like what you were saying wrong like a

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giant squid or an undiscovered

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prehistoric kangaroo which i had a dingo

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wrangler from australia actually tell me

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that

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because one of my cousins used to live

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there and that's what he did they

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actually had bounties on dingoes at one

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time and they saw these kangaroos that

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were just ginormous like kangaroo like

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it was unreal of course it was back in

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like the early 90s or whatever and they

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weren't just walking around with cell

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phones

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but he said that they looked prehistoric

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and then i i talked to a guy that was a

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researcher down there

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and then i talked to the late scott

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martis and we all kind of came to the

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conclusion that they do exist they're

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there we just you know it's like you

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were saying about the thylacine

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and you get giant turtles there's

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theories that there was this great white

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shark that was bitten in the marianas

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trench that it was a giant turtle

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those are what i would consider like

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what ken was looking for with the

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salamander

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the expedition he did you know to look

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for the thunderbird those are cryptids

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in in the very truest sense and that's

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what ken was saying that dogman

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is not really encrypted that it in lon

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we've talked about this you said it on

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my show i mean

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we get these

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uh reports of these things glowing and

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looking like uh they got some kind of

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you know weird you know aura about them

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or or you'll see them coming out of

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balls of light i've had people on my

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show talking about them jumping out of

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balls of light that's not uncommon

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you but you but then by the same token

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you get people that claim that they see

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bigfoot doing that too

558
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:59,520
now i'm not saying that bigfoot just

559
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,520
sounds more plausible

560
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:03,600
as a possible giant ape like maybe

561
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:05,360
that's part of what's going on

562
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:07,360
or maybe a throwback prehistoric human

563
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:09,440
like what you saw on lawn

564
00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:10,799
um you know

565
00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:12,880
but i think that there is another side

566
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:15,120
to that too and because you do hear of

567
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:16,559
these hairy

568
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:17,840
upright

569
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:20,080
creatures coming out of balls of light

570
00:20:24,070 --> 00:20:22,159
but then it gets kind of it gets more

571
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:24,080
you know muddled

572
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:26,000
when i was doing research near ginnings

573
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:28,159
texas with these ranchers

574
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:29,520
and they were giving us reports of

575
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:31,840
sasquatch sasquatch sasquatch

576
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:34,080
when two of this one rancher's nephews

577
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:35,760
were were riding the fence line on their

578
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,159
atvs they clearly saw

579
00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:40,400
this sasquatch when it turned to the

580
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:42,320
side it had a muzzle

581
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:44,480
like it had a muzzle it wasn't a snout

582
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:46,960
per se but it was a muzzle

583
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:48,799
which people are calling the gugwee

584
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:50,640
which has straight legs like the big

585
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,760
foot has the big foot style feet

586
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:55,360
but then it has that weird looking

587
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,360
muzzle like what is that i mean like is

588
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:59,280
that like a cross between a dog man and

589
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:00,720
a bigfoot

590
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:02,799
you know is that even possible like what

591
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:04,559
could that you know i mean that's just a

592
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:06,799
weird thing and so when i when i

593
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:08,320
questioned i didn't talk to both them

594
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:09,760
but when i talked to one of the the

595
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:11,679
nephews he said yeah when it turned to

596
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:13,840
the side the profile of it

597
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:16,159
um you could clearly see i mean there

598
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:18,080
was brush there but you walked out from

599
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:19,919
outside the brush for briefly and they

600
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:21,679
could see a muzzle

601
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:23,760
um you know and so i don't know if you

602
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:26,159
guys are familiar with the term gugwe

603
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,240
uh you know but that's just that's what

604
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,400
they're calling this like in-betweener

605
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:32,640
type creature um you know and so you

606
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,559
can't really explain that away and how

607
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:36,559
would people that are

608
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:38,559
absolutely

609
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:41,039
flesh and blood explain something like

610
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:42,559
that like how do you explain that that

611
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:44,559
it has the body of a bigfoot but it has

612
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:47,440
this face that looks like a

613
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,600
you know i mean i don't know like a like

614
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:51,679
a canid type face but it but it's a

615
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:53,679
short muzzle you know

616
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:56,080
and then you get reports of these these

617
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:57,760
thin

618
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:00,240
man type creatures i got some from all

619
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:02,400
the way from mississippi louisiana

620
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:03,840
tennessee

621
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:05,039
um

622
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:06,480
actually some up there where elijah's

623
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:07,440
from

624
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,760
and they look thin kind of emaciated

625
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:11,520
they have like a v-shaped body they have

626
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:14,159
like really skinny arms and legs

627
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,679
you know and you're thinking devil

628
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:17,440
monkey because you know that's another

629
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:20,559
it's a funny term but you're the rebobs

630
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,120
in california in the napa valley

631
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:25,200
um you know you get stories out of there

632
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:26,559
you know they say you know that they're

633
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:28,159
real that there's people that talk about

634
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:29,440
them all the time

635
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:30,799
but i don't know i don't know what to

636
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:32,400
make of it because if you just said okay

637
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:33,600
these things are all flesh and blood

638
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:35,360
undiscovered creatures

639
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:36,960
then you have to say that every single

640
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:39,120
one of these types isn't as an

641
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,039
undiscovered creature

642
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:43,520
and when you get multiple accounts you

643
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:45,039
know especially when they're in clusters

644
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,640
and areas you know there's a little flap

645
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,240
here a little flap there

646
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:50,880
you know then it lends credence to it

647
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:51,919
one of the things that i've been

648
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:54,000
researching in another area is caldwell

649
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:55,200
texas

650
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:57,200
and i had a

651
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,799
a few people that i've

652
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:00,720
talked to about their encounter

653
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:03,200
that this dog man type creature is

654
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:05,120
actually transparent when they shine a

655
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:06,720
light it go it goes right through it i'm

656
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:08,000
gonna have this lady hopefully she'll

657
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,679
come on my show on tuesday

658
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:12,000
and tell her encounter that she drove

659
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:13,440
through this thing

660
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,799
um

661
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,880
but you know back in the 70s and 80s

662
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:18,000
there was

663
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:20,720
clear a clear flap that went on uh with

664
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:22,799
these ranchers out there saying that

665
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,360
they were seeing a dog man type creature

666
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:28,080
one guy had a a steer's head that was

667
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,679
torn right off and that was thrown onto

668
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,520
his on his doorstep

669
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:33,600
um that wouldn't that would indicate a

670
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,400
flesh and blood creature but you know

671
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,880
elijah we've talked about this at length

672
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:40,559
you know me and you

673
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,520
um

674
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:43,360
just because something can manifest as

675
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:44,960
physical doesn't mean that that's what

676
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:47,679
its actual form is

677
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:50,000
the demonic can actually manifest itself

678
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,400
as physical and manipulate things

679
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,240
completely manipulate things

680
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,880
so i mean you know and not understanding

681
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:57,919
that

682
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,640
is a big problem

683
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:02,640
but then so can infrasound infrasound

684
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:05,440
can also um influence the way somebody

685
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:07,600
perceives their environment as well too

686
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,640
and we're dealing with something

687
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,400
biological at that point you know we

688
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:12,640
know that you know cetaceans produce

689
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,200
infrastructure also know uh elephants

690
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:17,679
produce it as well as taggers this

691
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,279
feeling of drug that can come over a

692
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:21,360
person and one of my theories is that

693
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:22,880
these creatures that we're dealing with

694
00:24:25,310 --> 00:24:23,919
here

695
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:25,320
um getting back to the idea of

696
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:26,880
ultra-terrestrials

697
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,679
that um it it may be indeed that we're

698
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:31,200
dealing with an intelligence within the

699
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:34,000
environment that is projecting itself

700
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,760
onto our um onto our subconscious and we

701
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:39,440
are filling in the blanks and we're

702
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,200
seeing something out there

703
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:43,279
um because we're kind of

704
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,200
predisposed to it and this is the reason

705
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:47,200
why we have such lack of video and

706
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:52,630
uh i just want to mention peace thanks

707
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:56,080
for your donation very much appreciated

708
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:57,600
uh you guys

709
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:04,710
i don't know i i i tend to believe that

710
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:06,880
that you know like you said lon i mean

711
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:09,039
we need we need more proof i mean of

712
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,720
these things there are people who

713
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,240
absolutely believe that we're going to

714
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:14,400
find this this undiscovered species

715
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:16,080
called dog man

716
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,480
and i just don't believe that i just do

717
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:19,919
not believe that because it would have

718
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,830
well you know you go back and look at

719
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:27,520
some of the historical sightings of some

720
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,559
of these things

721
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:30,559
and uh i i just talked about in

722
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:31,919
pennsylvania

723
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:34,480
uh when butch and i were started looking

724
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,520
into the pennsylvania upright canines

725
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,679
and the dog man or whatever you want to

726
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:41,600
call each one of these and there are

727
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:43,200
different types that people have

728
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:44,720
reported

729
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,120
we we've got several reports that go

730
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,279
back into the 1800s i mean these things

731
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:52,320
have been reported for a long time and i

732
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:55,039
know in other areas they have as well

733
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,640
but uh

734
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,159
you know

735
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:00,159
why does this seem like and now is it

736
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:01,840
because of the internet is because of

737
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,080
communications and such why do the

738
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:06,880
theories now

739
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:10,159
as far as bigfoot and and dogman and

740
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:12,080
these other beings

741
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,640
tend to be more supernatural as opposed

742
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:16,720
to being a flesh and blood is it just

743
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,679
something

744
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:19,840
that's getting mixed in or more people

745
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:22,080
thinking about it or or what what do you

746
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:25,120
think on that

747
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:26,799
tulpas

748
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:29,200
well that that that might be a tulpa or

749
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:32,000
thought form is that what it could be

750
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:33,679
you know when i wrote my first book i

751
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,080
brought up a lot of that about

752
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,880
you know and i know uh i know

753
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:40,240
nick redfern and other people have

754
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:43,120
talked about uh people who have seen

755
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:44,159
these

756
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:48,960
suddenly appear in front of them

757
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:51,360
uh like a relic from another time that

758
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:54,320
just you know suddenly manifest

759
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:56,080
could it be tulpas could it be a thought

760
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,669
and of course one of the things that i

761
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,360
like to talk about all the time as well

762
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,679
too is the idea of elementals you know

763
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:05,520
it's hard to use the word fairy anymore

764
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:07,520
because people will laugh at you

765
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:09,679
the idea of the pharaoh or the fairy

766
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:13,039
realm uh somehow uh you know still being

767
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:16,480
existent in the in our modern world i

768
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:17,760
think there's something to be said about

769
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,480
that

770
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,799
because if you look at the antiquity uh

771
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,880
encounters of fairies we talked about

772
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,159
those things talked about as like

773
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,080
glamour the idea that these things are

774
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,399
able to change shapes you know we call

775
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:30,159
it shape shifting now of course uh but

776
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:32,240
the idea that they are able to appear

777
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,159
differently than what they uh actually

778
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:36,240
are i think a lot of that goes into play

779
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:37,760
as well too but there's not a lot of

780
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,159
people forming um panels talking about

781
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:42,159
fairies anymore like i said but i think

782
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,760
it's something interesting to at least

783
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,200
be considered

784
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:47,600
well you know the the fairy realm is

785
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:49,600
being talked more and more

786
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:50,480
in

787
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,520
mean

788
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:55,840
another phenomenon it used to be a time

789
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:58,240
when you just had a certain

790
00:28:01,830 --> 00:27:59,679
section of people that were talking

791
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:01,840
about but it's coming into it's coming

792
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,960
into the the crypto world more and more

793
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:06,880
i read more and more about this people

794
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:09,360
are presenting these cases and more

795
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:12,080
people are actually coming forward and

796
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,760
reporting these things

797
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,520
yeah absolutely and if you look at you

798
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,600
know european encounters with uh with

799
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:19,440
what we would call you know bigfoot type

800
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,919
creatures uh in in scotland and ben

801
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,440
mcdewin you know that you have the gray

802
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,000
man uh which sometimes assumes the the

803
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:28,799
form of a gray mist sometimes it's seen

804
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:31,360
as a 12 foot tall lumbering bipedal

805
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,600
creature uh and especially the native

806
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,919
americans of the pacific northwest

807
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:38,080
they've always seen the idea of the

808
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,840
bigfoot or the sasquatch to be able to

809
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,760
straddle two different worlds at once

810
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,360
what we kind of already been talking

811
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:45,679
about the idea that it can be a physical

812
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,240
form in this world but its origins is

813
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,360
from a different place all together

814
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:53,279
i think what you said ron about the the

815
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:54,880
fair the fae

816
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:57,520
um they have their own society too like

817
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:59,360
i mean it's very elaborate you know you

818
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:01,760
have the sealy court the unseelie court

819
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:03,039
you know you have like the the

820
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:04,799
aristocratic you know

821
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:05,679
um

822
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:07,200
and and they have their own origin

823
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:09,039
stories and they have their own you know

824
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:10,480
you're not supposed to take any gifts

825
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,760
from them don't smoke tobacco with them

826
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:15,600
because they'll trick you

827
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:17,919
um i told a story on my show

828
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:20,240
where a guy was gone for two for a year

829
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:22,399
he was missing for a year for 2017 and

830
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,399
he showed up and it was like all he did

831
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:26,159
was talk to two little diminutive guys

832
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,760
and he smoked tobacco with them and made

833
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:29,200
a piece of bread and went to sleep that

834
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:30,320
was it boom

835
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:31,600
i mean some people will laugh and be

836
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:32,880
like oh he was dropping acid or

837
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,240
something you know but that's not what

838
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,320
happened the guy told me he's like dude

839
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:38,320
i didn't do anything i just you know

840
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:39,679
this is all i did i was fighting with my

841
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,799
wife

842
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,240
she thought i ran out on her you know

843
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,399
and so he told me this crazy story

844
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:46,720
um but i i i wanted to say what what

845
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,919
you're talking about ron it makes a lot

846
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:50,000
of sense because if you go to the

847
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:51,679
arabian you know

848
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:53,679
go to the middle east

849
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,399
the arabian stories stretching back as

850
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:58,559
far as we can remember to zoroastrianism

851
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:01,840
before islam before the moors you know

852
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,720
um you had the stories of the jinn

853
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:06,880
absolutely they come up a lot and but i

854
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:09,760
think that each region has their own

855
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:13,039
type of fairy gin whatever um in north

856
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:15,039
america we have the pug wedgies we have

857
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:16,799
these little mischievous people the

858
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:18,880
duende in spanish then here and they

859
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,200
call them the duende and then you have

860
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,760
or or they they call them uh monitors

861
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,600
you know so you got all these weird

862
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:27,120
little types of creatures you know but

863
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,880
then over there you have leprechauns and

864
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:30,960
you have elves and then you have goblins

865
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:33,120
you know and then you know i know up

866
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:34,880
there in kentucky in the caves they talk

867
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:36,880
about the goblins and then of course in

868
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:38,720
the deserts you have the jhin and then

869
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:41,120
in the british isles you have to pay

870
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:43,039
i think that each one of them has their

871
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,480
own region

872
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,159
and i think that it's their their area

873
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,000
that they control just like humans we

874
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,159
have our own countries you know and and

875
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:52,159
you know i think that they because in

876
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:54,080
the quran it talks about this i'm not

877
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:55,760
islamic but i do study different

878
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,880
religions and one of the things i

879
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:58,799
remember reading and i know that the

880
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:01,919
hadith isn't also a very esoteric book

881
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:03,840
much like the the kabbalah is to the

882
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:05,919
jewish community the the hadith is kind

883
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:08,399
of the esoteric to the islamic community

884
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,519
but it talks about the jinn as as living

885
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,000
you know in the green mountains

886
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,919
in the calf you know and it says that

887
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:17,440
they have neighbors

888
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,880
it doesn't really elaborate on what

889
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:20,159
their neighbors are we know that they

890
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:21,760
live a right angle from a right angle

891
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:23,679
from us which is basically the fourth

892
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:26,000
dimension like you were saying lon and i

893
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:27,519
think that these things can come in and

894
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,039
out of the fourth dimension into the

895
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:31,200
third dimension and influence us

896
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,440
just as we could you know if you drew a

897
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:34,960
on a piece of paper like a little stick

898
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,919
figure

899
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:38,080
that guy's world is two dimensional

900
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,360
completely and we're in the third

901
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:41,760
dimension we can see it and he can't

902
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:44,399
hide or do anything that we can't see

903
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:46,799
just as we can't hide or do anything

904
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,440
from the the hidden ones the the fourth

905
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:51,120
dimensional beings we can't hide from

906
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:53,200
them they can see everything we're doing

907
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:54,240
because they're from the fourth

908
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:55,519
dimension

909
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:57,600
it's a fourth density as a lot of people

910
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:59,679
would call it and i think that that a

911
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:01,039
lot of these creatures i think that's

912
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,880
where they come from and i think that

913
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:04,880
i'll take it a step further i think that

914
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,039
that it could come from the inner earth

915
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,120
but it could be another dimensional

916
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:11,279
inner earth if that makes any sense and

917
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:12,840
like you said

918
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:14,960
ultraterrestrial i think that's very

919
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,600
very uh possible i i look at admiral

920
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,519
byrd's work you know when he

921
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:21,120
you know flew into the center of the

922
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:22,799
earth and he saw this whole world down

923
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,070
yeah from a sociological perspective i

924
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:30,799
like to look at the uh the uh the the

925
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:33,760
right the well the beliefs of the uh

926
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:36,159
indigenous peoples of uh australia you

927
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:38,720
know australia has set us apart by

928
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:40,080
itself out there but you know the

929
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:41,600
civilization is one of the oldest on

930
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:44,159
earth um and they have the idea of the

931
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:46,720
of the dream time this other world

932
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,600
yeah where they were people can sort of

933
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:51,760
um transcend into it you know this sort

934
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:54,480
of existentialist type of uh experience

935
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,240
but the creatures that inhabit that

936
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:58,720
world can often interact with with ours

937
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,640
as well too and one of those creatures

938
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:02,799
is called the one gena and if you would

939
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,760
look at it the way it's uh uh uh you

940
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,679
know put on cave art the way it's

941
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,440
illustrated in k mark uh it looks

942
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,360
remarkably like what we would call um

943
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,279
you know a gray some sort of alien type

944
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:15,440
of creature and then the other creature

945
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,080
they had is called the memus uh which is

946
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:20,559
a very thin uh creature

947
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:23,519
um that acts almost like uh the european

948
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,080
fairy wood and uh they are said to

949
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:29,039
inhabit the space between spaces so

950
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,640
again we're talking about this other

951
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:32,399
world we're talking about this place

952
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:36,080
where um two realities sort of intersect

953
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:37,679
but these creatures are residing in a

954
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,190
yeah

955
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:45,360
i think that the the the whole

956
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,960
the dream time thing i think that that

957
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,399
actually

958
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,640
is just basically them remembering from

959
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:53,039
their their ancestral past

960
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:55,600
um and the aboriginals were there for a

961
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,919
long long time and isolated from other

962
00:34:01,669 --> 00:34:00,000
humans right but yet they still have

963
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:01,679
very similar stories like there's a

964
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:04,159
giant lizard that they believed existed

965
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:05,600
you know of course people say they still

966
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,880
see it to this day it's the size of the

967
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,399
volkswagen

968
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,320
um i don't know

969
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,480
if those stories are or to be believed

970
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:14,399
but uh i haven't personally had somebody

971
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:15,919
come and tell me any any of them from

972
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:17,599
australia but i have heard of it in

973
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:19,119
their rio doso

974
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,240
um in new mexico i had a story that was

975
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:24,240
given to me and i followed up the leads

976
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:26,000
um you know and i was at the end of the

977
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:27,520
mountain gods and i just started talking

978
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,320
to the the people there you know and

979
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:32,560
they told me some pretty fascinating

980
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:34,000
stories like you said the indigenous

981
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:35,760
people they tend to know

982
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,560
and uh the the mess calero apache are

983
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,560
very convinced that there is a giant

984
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,800
lizard that lives up in that area they

985
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,639
also talked of like a giant bear like

986
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,040
creature that that stalks the mountain

987
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:49,280
and that it hunts up there and every now

988
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:51,440
and then people will just go missing

989
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,839
um and there's a it's a camp uh

990
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,440
campground up on the mountain you know

991
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,760
and i actually was i actually went on to

992
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:59,520
the reservation when i was there because

993
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,200
i was invited i wasn't you know but

994
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:03,280
you're not allowed if you're not invited

995
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:04,320
you're not allowed to go to the

996
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,760
reservation

997
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:07,920
um but yeah i've been on a couple

998
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:09,520
different reservations and i've had

999
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:11,440
conversations with people who

1000
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:12,320
um

1001
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:14,640
they their their world that they live in

1002
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:17,280
is more it's much more open

1003
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,599
than the western-minded world you know

1004
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:22,079
also my god-son's vietnamese he's my

1005
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,079
part-time co-host and and you know

1006
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:26,240
talking with his family

1007
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,359
to them

1008
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,440
their ancestors and everything that they

1009
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:31,200
they talk to them like we talk to each

1010
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,800
other like i could pick up the phone and

1011
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,160
call you kenny

1012
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:36,320
they can literally go into sleep and

1013
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,240
like talk to their ancestors it's just

1014
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,400
like a very normal thing to them but i

1015
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:42,240
think here in the west we're very closed

1016
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:43,839
off to the idea that we think oh we're

1017
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:46,480
so modern that's crazy that these people

1018
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:47,839
have these

1019
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:49,440
traditions and beliefs and that there

1020
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,480
that there's

1021
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:52,160
something wrong with them because they

1022
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:53,920
they oh they're pretty they're they're

1023
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,320
living in this prehistoric time or

1024
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,480
whatever and we're so modern but reality

1025
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,640
it's kind of flipped really to me i

1026
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,640
think we've gotten away from what's

1027
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,560
what's real which is actually the spirit

1028
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,079
and i think because we're actually i

1029
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:08,240
think we're spirits having a physical

1030
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,640
experience not the other way around and

1031
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,400
we lose sight of that that this is just

1032
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:15,040
a vessel that god gave us to to to house

1033
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,160
the spirit

1034
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,320
um to me there's a soul and it's about

1035
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,920
that big it's a ball of light that's who

1036
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:21,359
we really are

1037
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,800
you know to uh you know kind of

1038
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,400
piggyback off of that i've been doing a

1039
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,560
lot of um international

1040
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:28,160
research and

1041
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:30,880
a lot of what i've been coming across um

1042
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:33,599
are seen as spirits so it it kind of

1043
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,560
goes right along with what you're saying

1044
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:38,800
i've mostly for

1045
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:40,720
my whole life just you know study

1046
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:42,880
different types of um unexplained in the

1047
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,280
united states and uh

1048
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,359
i'd say like in the last year i've

1049
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,760
really looked into other countries and

1050
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:50,640
um

1051
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,240
the majority of what i'm coming across

1052
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,400
seems to be some type of spirit i mean

1053
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,320
you still come across the stories of

1054
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,480
these different types of um you know

1055
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,160
creatures which are believed to be flesh

1056
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:04,480
and blood but the majority of them they

1057
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,119
somehow end up the more you look into it

1058
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,119
they end up going into like like more of

1059
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,280
a spirit type of um

1060
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:13,119
uh what's the word i'm looking for um

1061
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,320
just just just a more spirit type of um

1062
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:18,480
description compared to

1063
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,680
um what i i would think you know if i'm

1064
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:23,760
looking into this this certain country

1065
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:26,560
and i'm looking into this certain legend

1066
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,920
um

1067
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,839
shortly after going into it all of a

1068
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:31,520
sudden it's talking about it being a

1069
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:33,839
spirit it's an angry spirit it's a happy

1070
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:37,440
spirit it's a spirit that that can be

1071
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:40,480
happy can be angry um so

1072
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:42,000
again you know like you said josh you

1073
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:43,920
know we're talking you know like in in

1074
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:46,480
the us you know it's you know

1075
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:47,680
we're less

1076
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:50,160
talking spiritual but you you look into

1077
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:52,160
these other countries like malaysia and

1078
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,000
and all these other places

1079
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,240
everything is spirit everything is

1080
00:38:02,470 --> 00:37:58,160
wrapped around some spirit has some type

1081
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:02,480
of spirit entity attached to it

1082
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,599
yeah

1083
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:06,240
so uh let's get into personal encounters

1084
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,480
uh i'm kind of interested to find out if

1085
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:10,640
either either you gentlemen have had a

1086
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:12,640
personal encounter with a

1087
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:14,960
cryptid or an unexplained being at some

1088
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:18,079
point uh let's start off with uh let's

1089
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:20,560
start off with uh elijah can you tell us

1090
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:26,950
something i can tell you about that this

1091
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,800
would have personally happened to me i

1092
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:30,400
don't generally talk about it because it

1093
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:32,079
is kind of unusual in nature and i've

1094
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:33,920
never really known

1095
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,720
what to think about it

1096
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:38,560
uh

1097
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:41,359
my family back around 2000

1098
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:42,560
2002

1099
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:45,680
2003 we had something real big and deep

1100
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:47,119
out of sort of play

1101
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:48,800
springs seat

1102
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:49,760
and

1103
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,640
it would

1104
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,160
literally vibrate

1105
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:53,920
you could literally feel it shaking in

1106
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:55,599
your chest and it was just terrifying

1107
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:56,720
about

1108
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:00,079
five or six times the stuff bigfoot

1109
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:26,470
i had to switch to my phone it was going

1110
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:30,000
so badly yeah well yeah it sounds good

1111
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:36,470
anyway uh here in clarksville tennessee

1112
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,480
i live down in the woods uh

1113
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:40,560
surrounded by woods and ditches

1114
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:41,680
and

1115
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,760
on one occasion i was playing outside

1116
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:46,160
with my sister she was climbing a tree

1117
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:47,760
and i was you know watching her climb

1118
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,720
this tree

1119
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,480
and i look across one of our ditches off

1120
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:52,560
in the woods and i see it what looks

1121
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:54,640
exactly like a sasquatch walking through

1122
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,560
the woods and

1123
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,320
but the strange exception to it was that

1124
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:00,480
it had a tail on it it came down kind of

1125
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:02,800
in a u-shape and the end of it was kind

1126
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:03,680
of

1127
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,079
jiggling and bobbing around like that it

1128
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:08,960
looked like a squash but just had that

1129
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:13,750
terrified of bigfoot

1130
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:14,800
i ran

1131
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,119
leaving my sister to

1132
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:18,960
fend for herself in the tree so to speak

1133
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:21,599
and i went grab my mom got her outside

1134
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:24,079
and it was all gone sister's out of the

1135
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:25,599
tree she's fine

1136
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,599
and you know i'm freaking out mom i just

1137
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:29,280
seen a big

1138
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:30,319
and uh

1139
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,040
my sister says no it wasn't a bigfoot at

1140
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:35,359
all you seen a hunter uh

1141
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:36,960
she'll swear to this day she's seen a

1142
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,200
hunter walk into the woods and that tail

1143
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:41,599
was a gun hanging on its back i know

1144
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:44,960
exactly what i seen i mean you can't

1145
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,720
mistake a big monkey man with the tail

1146
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:48,319
walking through the woods

1147
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:49,200
but

1148
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:50,880
to add to the

1149
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:57,910
and uh they celebrate beltane the

1150
00:41:02,630 --> 00:40:59,680
highest day on the occult calendar they

1151
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:02,640
got all the symbols on their their car

1152
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:05,359
their bumper stickers and whatnot uh

1153
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:08,240
they celebrate some intense things

1154
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:10,160
one day we're at the gas station fueling

1155
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,280
up and my sister sees that hunter at

1156
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:15,200
that gas station and he's climbing into

1157
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:16,800
that car that's always coming out of the

1158
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,839
uh

1159
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,280
the driveway going off into the woods

1160
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:21,040
where those witches live

1161
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:22,400
so

1162
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,920
whoever that gentleman was that she'd

1163
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,200
seen

1164
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,680
was the witches that lived down the road

1165
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:29,359
to this day i maintained i seen what

1166
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,960
looked like a bigfoot

1167
00:41:35,310 --> 00:41:32,560
she maintained she's seen what looked

1168
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,320
like a hunter i don't know

1169
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:37,520
[Laughter]

1170
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:39,520
well that's interesting

1171
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:40,800
i don't know how to explain that i

1172
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,560
really knew how to classify it yeah wow

1173
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,400
elijah when you i wanted to say

1174
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:49,040
something to elijah um

1175
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,640
the late johnny henderson you're your

1176
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:52,640
father great man good good friend of

1177
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,760
mine

1178
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,520
you guys were working on a project now

1179
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,839
this is a little more

1180
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,440
you know paranormal not so much

1181
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:00,960
encrypted but i mean you guys were

1182
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,040
working on a project okay now i'm not

1183
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,040
saying this is what happened

1184
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,520
but uh we started to do a lot of

1185
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,359
research together me and your dad and

1186
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:11,920
then of course barton nunley and you

1187
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:13,599
and we started talking about the bell

1188
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:17,040
witch in which you subsequently finish

1189
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,870
well i've got one more part to do uh

1190
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:25,040
to just kind of get it finished up

1191
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:26,480
don't know when i'm gonna get to it but

1192
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:27,440
uh

1193
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:28,880
there's kind of an urban legend that

1194
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,240
when you work on anything involving the

1195
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:32,079
bell witch that you're bound to have bad

1196
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:35,359
luck i talked to a fella who uh

1197
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:36,800
he helped with a

1198
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:39,680
documentary around early 2000s and once

1199
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,680
they got it all filmed and finished up

1200
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:43,200
the studio where the footage was being

1201
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:45,200
held caught on fire and they were able

1202
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:47,119
to save the footage and everything but

1203
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:50,079
the area around caught on fire

1204
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:51,920
since we've been started working on this

1205
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,960
document series for the bell which

1206
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,560
we've had uh

1207
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:58,480
three cars blow up

1208
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,280
uh all four of my family members me my

1209
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:03,440
sister mom and dad had to go to the

1210
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:06,079
emergency room my mom was diagnosed with

1211
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,359
cancer and she passed away my dad got

1212
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,440
covered and he passed away

1213
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,440
i almost lost my eye

1214
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,000
um i had to go into the hospital because

1215
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,240
of a really bad allergic reaction my

1216
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,720
sister sliced open her finger

1217
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,800
uh something sat down in the bed with my

1218
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:24,400
mother while she was trying to sleep

1219
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,599
something sat down on the bed with my

1220
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:27,280
dad when he was in bed

1221
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:29,440
and we have all these uh

1222
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:32,000
my mother left christmas so outside on

1223
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,280
our porches you know we'd have those

1224
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,280
wire lights you know kind of deck it out

1225
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,359
make it look like christmas and whatnot

1226
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,280
we'd always come home and find those

1227
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:41,359
lights turned on and i live down in the

1228
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,079
woods

1229
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,920
kind of away from people

1230
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:45,440
so there's no reason why they should be

1231
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:48,319
on the remote honor kind of tucked away

1232
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:49,599
and hidden where you couldn't really see

1233
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,160
him but these lights would be on

1234
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,720
so we come home one time

1235
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:56,160
and there's seven strands of these

1236
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:57,920
lights on at one time

1237
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:59,359
and you know

1238
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,400
we we

1239
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,079
you know think it's weird

1240
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,240
we turn them off but i put out a trail

1241
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,560
camera to see if you know maybe we can

1242
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,560
catch somebody coming down here maybe

1243
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:10,480
it's a curious bigfoot turning stuff on

1244
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:11,599
i don't know

1245
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,599
we go inside for about an hour

1246
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:15,040
come outside

1247
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,720
and uh

1248
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,720
another strand of those lights is on

1249
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,480
just outside view

1250
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:22,240
of the trail cam so it didn't pick

1251
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:23,520
anything up

1252
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:26,319
but it it's been nothing but a constant

1253
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:32,950
yeah and your and your dad and me had

1254
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,319
talked he he contracted kovid

1255
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:38,079
same time i did

1256
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:40,960
and he passed away

1257
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:43,119
we all got sick at the same time and so

1258
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,160
did armando my former co-host

1259
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,800
and um armando

1260
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,640
he passed away too i think you and i

1261
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,319
think your your dad and him passed away

1262
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:54,720
like within four days of each other

1263
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,319
and it was it was a really my neighbor

1264
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:58,400
passed away about that time too

1265
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:01,040
yeah it was really rough and i know that

1266
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,040
that i had somebody when i it was jason

1267
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,599
bland from paranormal soup who's been on

1268
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,760
my show and and he me and him were

1269
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,359
talking and he says you're working on

1270
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:11,040
that bellwich

1271
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:13,040
you know project are you

1272
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:14,319
gonna because i was gonna bring you on

1273
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:16,079
elijah we were gonna do it

1274
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,079
and i told jason bland about it in

1275
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,160
passing and he goes dude

1276
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:22,079
there's a serious curse attached to that

1277
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:23,599
thing um

1278
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,119
well a couple days after i talked to

1279
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:27,760
your dad who he started to be of the of

1280
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:31,040
the mind that something was going on

1281
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,960
um and i know that when he was in the

1282
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,200
hospital he would talk about you know

1283
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:37,920
something being by his bedside

1284
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:38,800
which

1285
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:41,200
was unnerving you know and

1286
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:43,040
and i remember getting out of the shower

1287
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,319
one day and i was in a hurry i was

1288
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,280
running around doing whatever and i this

1289
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:49,280
is weird i thought it was my wife right

1290
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:50,480
there in the bathroom i thought that she

1291
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:51,920
had come in the bathroom and so i was

1292
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:52,640
like

1293
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:54,400
reaching for a towel and i said honey

1294
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,560
can you and i look and i for a split

1295
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,240
second i saw

1296
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,560
a woman but it was tall and and like

1297
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:02,640
weird looking and i thought whoa and i

1298
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:04,079
kind of fell back and i almost slipped

1299
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,760
in the tub

1300
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:08,160
and it just kind of was like it shocked

1301
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:09,119
me

1302
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:15,040
talking about and and i thought at that

1303
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,359
point i need to stop talking about it

1304
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:19,680
because people in my household begin to

1305
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:22,720
see this black thing moving around

1306
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:26,400
um which wasn't there previously and so

1307
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:29,359
yeah i i i talked to uh a few of my

1308
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,280
friends including barton you know and

1309
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:33,119
and actually ken too i think me and ken

1310
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,960
even talked about that and everybody was

1311
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,800
like look dude that's not a very good

1312
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,160
subject and

1313
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,319
so kudos you if you finish the project

1314
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:42,960
elijah but i i would i'm not going to be

1315
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:45,440
i'm kind of like done with that

1316
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,800
but you know

1317
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:48,240
i don't know when i'm going to get to it

1318
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,280
anyway

1319
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:51,200
well maybe never maybe you should just

1320
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,640
let it go

1321
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:53,920
but uh

1322
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:55,839
here's the funny thing

1323
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,710
what is it

1324
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,829
oh anyway jason was on my show

1325
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:06,960
one of the things he don't know if he

1326
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:10,400
ever heard but um

1327
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:12,000
i think there's kind of a delay there

1328
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:14,000
you're uh on your on your feed there

1329
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:15,040
elijah

1330
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,160
um

1331
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:18,960
the whole thing with the belt the uh

1332
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,440
started with a a creature it started

1333
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:23,040
with some sort of like

1334
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:24,400
hairy creature

1335
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:27,440
that john bell witnessed in in the in a

1336
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,559
field

1337
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,440
and jason bland was very very uh be

1338
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,359
adamant that that was he thinks there

1339
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:35,760
was something to that um just like the

1340
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:37,839
whole skinwalker ranch thing you know

1341
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,319
like this this creature this giant wolf

1342
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:42,319
when when they first started all the

1343
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,839
stuff kicked off

1344
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,079
uh they shot it and flesh flew off of it

1345
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:48,240
but nothing happened um you know and

1346
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,960
then all this wackiness ensues

1347
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,480
and that's sometimes that seems to be

1348
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:54,720
the case like it's like these uh dog man

1349
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:57,040
or bigfoot or or whatever these these

1350
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:59,040
furry creatures show up

1351
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,480
and then all kinds of stuff starts

1352
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,800
happening and people seeing ufos

1353
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:04,800
um you know people's appliances going

1354
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,760
off in their house uh it's just i i

1355
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:09,359
don't think that's a coincidence a lot

1356
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:10,640
of people will sit there and

1357
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:13,040
compartmentalize there's one

1358
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:15,040
talk show host that does it all the time

1359
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:17,760
he just takes that one subject and

1360
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:20,240
sucks it away from the rest of it and

1361
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:21,680
you know and it looks like a really cool

1362
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,040
story but

1363
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:24,960
you're left wanting because there's all

1364
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,960
this other stuff that went on

1365
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,240
that you're not hearing about you're

1366
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,160
only hearing about that part of it you

1367
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:32,400
know um and i don't and i think it's a

1368
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:34,000
it's a part it's a nugget of a bigger

1369
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,800
hole it's not just one little thing

1370
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,640
um because you can take one bigfoot

1371
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:40,319
encounter and just tell that and it just

1372
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:41,839
sounds like oh yeah that's what it is

1373
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,000
it's just that but you're not talking

1374
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,720
about any of the other stuff you know

1375
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,960
and i think that the problem is in our

1376
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:50,160
field

1377
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:52,480
guys like you kenny elijah

1378
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:55,440
iran lon you guys are you know we're

1379
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,440
birds of a feather because we're looking

1380
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,680
at this thing from the mosaic that it is

1381
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:01,520
this this big picture you're sitting

1382
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:03,280
back looking at this we're not like

1383
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,880
right up against it going okay this is

1384
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:06,960
my subject here and this is all i'm

1385
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:08,480
going to talk about because everything

1386
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,599
else is just

1387
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,280
horseradish you know

1388
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:13,119
you can't do that i just really feel

1389
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:13,920
like

1390
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,960
that that we have to to come together

1391
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,640
but you can't it's so hard when you talk

1392
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:20,240
to the ufo community they want nothing

1393
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:21,680
to do with bigfoot when you talk to the

1394
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,880
bigfoot community what nothing to do

1395
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:24,720
with ghosts ghost people don't want

1396
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:26,480
anything to do with dog man dog man does

1397
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,680
the only thing to do with

1398
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:29,280
ufos it just goes around and around in a

1399
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:30,720
big circle

1400
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:33,280
but they're all interconnected and i'm

1401
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:34,960
telling you this this is the absolute

1402
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,280
truth i really believe this i think that

1403
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,960
it's all related

1404
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:40,640
i think what kenny said was very

1405
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:42,720
important because and you guys have all

1406
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,079
made some very good points kenny you

1407
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:46,400
said you talk to people and it always

1408
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,880
they always revolve around a spirit

1409
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:50,720
and i think that that is a very very

1410
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:53,200
important piece of that puzzle and ron

1411
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:55,040
what you said about the fae

1412
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:56,480
i think that lays it out there i think

1413
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:57,920
you just got like you know and then of

1414
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,480
course lon your whole body of work

1415
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:02,400
revolves around you know it all being

1416
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:04,079
interconnected and and we've talked

1417
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,839
about that multiple times

1418
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:07,280
elijah you too

1419
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,960
um i think that we're all on the same

1420
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:10,800
page you know but i think if more people

1421
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:13,280
would have discussions like this and get

1422
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,680
the people involved and and talk about

1423
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,680
these things and bring it all together i

1424
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:19,440
think that we could make some headway in

1425
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:22,079
actually getting toward

1426
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:24,079
you know maybe i don't know get to the

1427
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:25,599
bottom of some of these cases you know

1428
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:27,200
because like when you go to someone's

1429
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,319
house

1430
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:30,240
they're scared to tell you

1431
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:32,079
well you know my blender came on the

1432
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:33,680
washing machine and dry were bouncing

1433
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,480
around my child is seeing this wolf-like

1434
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:38,640
creature talking to it in the window

1435
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,160
and there's a shadow man running around

1436
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,800
the hallway um and that actually was a

1437
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:44,880
case that we investigated me and my team

1438
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,680
the prt people and we the husband of

1439
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:49,520
course he was like i didn't say nothing

1440
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:52,000
i saw some shadows and a wolf okay well

1441
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,160
you did see something then you know but

1442
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,480
he didn't want he didn't want to admit

1443
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,559
that he had witnessed it it was all just

1444
00:51:01,589 --> 00:51:00,000
he was trying to block it out of his

1445
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,599
mind um

1446
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:03,440
his wife meanwhile and the children are

1447
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:04,800
terrified

1448
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:05,920
and of course she doesn't want me to

1449
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:08,160
think she's crazy so she told me a

1450
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:09,599
little bit and then she kind of told me

1451
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,960
a little bit more and i said look just

1452
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,640
tell me the whole story

1453
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:14,640
okay i'm not just here to hear part of

1454
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:16,160
it and then go and tell the little

1455
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,760
nuggets that sound good i'm gonna take

1456
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:19,200
the whole story

1457
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,559
you know and and i think that that's a

1458
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,880
big problem that a lot of people

1459
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,559
um they're afraid to come out and tell

1460
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:26,240
you the entire thing because it sounds

1461
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,640
so nuts it sounds so crazy

1462
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,400
but if they would do that i think you

1463
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,640
would see 90 of these cases involve more

1464
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,400
than just a sighting of something you'll

1465
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:36,240
hear people that are experiencers that's

1466
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:38,079
why they saw what they did they're

1467
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,599
catching glimpses of the other side

1468
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:41,359
because they have the eye they can see

1469
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:42,400
that

1470
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:46,000
if you know what i'm saying like

1471
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:48,319
in spanish it's called oho dotaro but if

1472
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,599
you know in english

1473
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:51,280
you know it's like the eye you can see

1474
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,960
the other side you're seeing through

1475
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:54,880
that and i think all it really is is

1476
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:56,559
seeing the fourth dimension really

1477
00:52:02,829 --> 00:51:59,760
you're seeing in a higher density

1478
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:02,839
i don't know have you had an

1479
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:05,599
experience um i've definitely had some

1480
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:08,240
uh strange things happen uh i'm more of

1481
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:11,680
a a again originally started out as a

1482
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,000
flesh and blood type of guy um i've

1483
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:16,480
never unfortunately although a lot of

1484
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:18,160
people tell me it's a good thing that i

1485
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,200
haven't seen anything um because you

1486
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:23,119
know like i see the lucky ones is the

1487
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:25,119
people that have seen something and the

1488
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,480
people that have seen something tell me

1489
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:28,240
that i'm the lucky one that i haven't

1490
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:29,599
because it's really kind of changed

1491
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:32,800
their lives um i always call myself the

1492
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:35,280
guy who's late to the party i always

1493
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:37,920
show up after something happened after

1494
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:39,839
somebody seen something

1495
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,720
again

1496
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,640
being out in the woods you have weird

1497
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:44,800
experiences all the time

1498
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:46,640
you hear things walking near you that

1499
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:49,040
you cannot see um of course you know

1500
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:51,920
animals are masters of their domain and

1501
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:53,680
can for some

1502
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:56,079
some sense stay camouflaged

1503
00:53:01,750 --> 00:52:59,440
but i mean i've i've seen strange um

1504
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:01,760
you know lights in the woods that you

1505
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:04,160
know shouldn't be there um especially in

1506
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:06,640
our research area i mean there's no like

1507
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:07,520
you know

1508
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,319
area just these strange lights that you

1509
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,800
know that that show up and you know

1510
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,040
these phantom lights if you will some

1511
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:19,440
people call them fairies um other people

1512
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:22,160
say it's something that's manifesting um

1513
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,920
you know based off of you know certain

1514
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:25,920
things that you've done out in the woods

1515
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:28,880
um but i unfortunately i have not set

1516
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:31,520
eyes on anything um i'm hoping to one

1517
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:34,240
day um but at the same time i'm i'm

1518
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,559
hoping that it's something that doesn't

1519
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,800
you know scare me so much that i i

1520
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,800
stopped studying the subject across the

1521
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:42,960
board because i mean when it comes to

1522
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:43,920
like

1523
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:45,920
i want everything to be flesh and blood

1524
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:48,960
because i just i i run from like the

1525
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:51,359
spirits um you know i

1526
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,119
you know growing growing up and you know

1527
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:55,200
in being a christian you know it's

1528
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:56,800
there's always that concern of something

1529
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:58,640
being attached to you and and you know

1530
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,160
kind of like you know what josh and

1531
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:03,119
elijah were talking about with um

1532
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,800
uh that project that's that they're

1533
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:06,000
working on i'm not even gonna say the

1534
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:07,440
name um

1535
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:09,680
that that you know i just try to you

1536
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:12,240
know i i try to avoid all that like i'll

1537
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:14,160
write about it and talk about it but i

1538
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:17,440
won't go after something for instance if

1539
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:18,800
somebody says to me hey do you want to

1540
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:20,559
go into this old house you know and

1541
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:22,079
investigate it you know they say it's

1542
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:24,079
haunted i'm like nah nah you know if

1543
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:25,760
they say to me hey i want to go explore

1544
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:27,280
this old house it's you know i'd be like

1545
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:28,400
yeah that's cool you know i want to go

1546
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:29,920
in there and check it out

1547
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:32,559
so uh where i'm at right now is um i

1548
00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:33,920
want to see something but at the same

1549
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:36,839
time i really hope i don't that's

1550
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:40,640
it you know i i i had my encounter with

1551
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,119
a bigfoot and that's where

1552
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:45,359
you know i some days i kind of curse it

1553
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:46,960
because i think uh

1554
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:48,880
that's kind of got what got me started

1555
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:51,680
with all this as far as cryptids go

1556
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,440
and um

1557
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:55,280
you know i guess i haven't looked back

1558
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:56,400
but

1559
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:59,200
yeah i i it makes me wonder if i hadn't

1560
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:01,280
seen that what i have done

1561
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,960
as far as uh

1562
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:05,040
as far as this goes

1563
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:07,280
i i had always done

1564
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,200
paranormal activity you know paranormal

1565
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,359
activity and looked into it since i got

1566
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:14,079
out of high school back in the 70s but

1567
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,799
um yeah that's um

1568
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:18,480
that's kind of what kicked it off for me

1569
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,240
so ron uh tell us about your experience

1570
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:24,480
well again anecdotal but i think that

1571
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,040
i've had um enough that keeps me going

1572
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,040
let's put it that way i don't think that

1573
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,599
anybody would continue this unless you

1574
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:33,920
have something to keep on feeding off of

1575
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:36,079
right i think even stan gordon whenever

1576
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:38,559
you ask him he has never seen anything

1577
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:41,200
with his own eyes but he has had enough

1578
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:43,119
anecdotal things happen that he keeps on

1579
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,240
going right

1580
00:55:47,910 --> 00:55:46,240
um and i i see that he's gonna be on the

1581
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,920
show next month or something like that

1582
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,680
if anybody has seen stan gordon i'm

1583
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,599
gonna put this in perspective

1584
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:53,280
i'm 52 years old

1585
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:55,839
i used to listen to stan gordon on the

1586
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,079
radio whenever i was in elementary

1587
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:00,960
school in the 1970s i will see it of him

1588
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,119
at conferences and he looks like 10

1589
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,079
years younger than i do i

1590
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:08,000
think that he has either had an alien

1591
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,680
counter and they've given him like the

1592
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:11,520
fountain of youth or around too much

1593
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,280
radiation from the spacecraft or

1594
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:15,520
whatever but he looks unbelievably good

1595
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:17,680
he's still kicking and i love said if it

1596
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:19,680
wasn't for stan i wouldn't be here but

1597
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:22,480
um i will tell you this though um so

1598
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:23,599
i've always had an interest in the

1599
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:26,160
paranormal but i've never had any kind

1600
00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:27,920
of encounter

1601
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:29,920
but i was going to graduate school and

1602
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:32,319
uh my brother and i were running a place

1603
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:35,520
uh in indiana pennsylvania and uh it was

1604
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:37,920
on the outskirts of town and ordered

1605
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:40,160
this uh this uh the university woods

1606
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:42,240
there so it was a protected place uh

1607
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:43,680
people would go up there walking every

1608
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:44,960
now and then but for the most part it

1609
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:46,400
was just this big

1610
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:48,079
desolate area where people could go up

1611
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:49,839
there and study and do whatever

1612
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:52,480
um the first summer that we moved in

1613
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,280
there

1614
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:55,359
we started to hear these whistling

1615
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:58,400
sounds um it only happened whenever it

1616
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:01,119
wasn't raining um it only happened

1617
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:02,799
between the hours of 12 and three

1618
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,160
o'clock in the morning the witching hour

1619
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:06,319
which is really scary um and this went

1620
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:08,559
on for a while this

1621
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:10,880
whoop sound like that and of course look

1622
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:12,640
i had a passing interest i thought this

1623
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:14,559
might be some sort of bird i had no idea

1624
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:17,440
what was going on um but the next year

1625
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,920
the next summer um it starts happening

1626
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:22,160
and it happening in earnest again

1627
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:23,599
and uh my brother and i said you know

1628
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:25,040
whenever this happens again we're going

1629
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:26,640
to go out and we're going to investigate

1630
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:29,119
and find out what's going on um so sure

1631
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:31,280
enough a couple of days later it was

1632
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:33,040
about a quarter till three in the

1633
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,240
morning

1634
00:57:38,829 --> 00:57:36,640
and the whistling happens again that

1635
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:38,839
whoop whoop that you know that

1636
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:42,079
repetition um so any good story has to

1637
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:44,799
have a sword involved so i grabbed a

1638
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:46,400
sword and my my brother grabbed a

1639
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:48,319
baseball bat and we're in our 20s you

1640
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:49,200
know we're going to go out and

1641
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:51,760
investigate this thing so we open up the

1642
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:53,839
door and this is the first time we were

1643
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:55,520
ever outside whenever this thing was

1644
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:56,880
making the noise

1645
00:58:02,150 --> 00:57:59,280
and you could actually feel

1646
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:02,160
it reverberating inside your body you

1647
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:04,079
know i had only heard it from inside of

1648
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:05,440
the house before but now that i'm

1649
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:07,839
outside it like gave me pause for a

1650
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:10,319
second even though i'm in my 20s i was

1651
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,720
athletic back then at the time and gosh

1652
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:14,319
darn i had a sword in my hand what am i

1653
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:16,559
going to be afraid of you know so at the

1654
00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:18,720
end of our yard there was a grove of

1655
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:21,760
trees that led up into the big woods

1656
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:24,160
and as we got closer we knew that was

1657
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:26,799
ever making that whistling sound was in

1658
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,040
that grove of trees so we got we we

1659
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:31,680
started to approach it um our eyes

1660
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:33,119
started to adjust and everything to the

1661
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:34,400
darkness

1662
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:37,200
and we start hearing the whistling sound

1663
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:38,400
again

1664
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:40,960
but this time as the whistling sound is

1665
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,319
going on we start hearing a growling it

1666
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:46,400
was simultaneous it was two sounds at

1667
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:50,240
once and the growling was so loud that

1668
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:52,319
you could actually hear it taking in

1669
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:54,480
oxygen and you could hear that it was a

1670
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:57,119
very wet sound as well too

1671
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,920
so we immediately ran because i'm not

1672
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:01,680
confronting a creature you know i had

1673
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:03,520
that so we went back into the house

1674
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:04,880
locked all the doors and everything like

1675
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:08,000
that and um it never came back again

1676
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:09,520
ever that was the last time we heard

1677
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:10,640
that sound

1678
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:12,240
so i started asking some neighbors hey

1679
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,680
have you guys ever had any kind of

1680
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:15,599
unusual things happen around here and

1681
00:59:19,109 --> 00:59:17,040
the one lady was working out in her

1682
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,119
garden she said no i've never heard any

1683
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:21,280
kind of sounds but i will tell you a few

1684
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:23,359
years ago i saw a very large man going

1685
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,599
through my garbage at about two o'clock

1686
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:27,440
in the morning so those kind of things

1687
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:28,240
happen

1688
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:29,599
so um

1689
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:32,640
i had no idea what to do i mean this was

1690
00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:36,160
uh 1995 i guess it was 1996 something

1691
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:37,119
like that

1692
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:39,599
and um i immediately got onto the

1693
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,240
internet which wasn't much then and i

1694
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:44,640
googled um i don't think google was even

1695
00:59:49,829 --> 00:59:46,799
existing then but i put them there um

1696
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:49,839
bigfoot in pennsylvania and one site

1697
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:52,079
came up if you can believe it one site

1698
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:54,960
and that was eric altman's uh big

1699
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:57,920
small baby bigfoot society and um i my

1700
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:00,559
case was the first case that he um he uh

1701
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:02,160
he came out to investigate oh is that

1702
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:03,520
right

1703
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:05,040
and that's what got me started so i knew

1704
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:06,880
that there was something out there

1705
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:09,359
um that um you know people couldn't

1706
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:11,200
really explain i still have no idea what

1707
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:12,960
happened i didn't see anything i can

1708
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:15,920
only tell you intellectually what i felt

1709
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:18,319
was going on and what you know i kind of

1710
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:20,480
uh um really affected you

1711
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:21,920
it affects you

1712
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:24,400
mind body and spirit doesn't it it's not

1713
01:00:30,870 --> 01:00:26,960
one thing it's not it's not oh i saw

1714
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:30,880
this it's it's i i experienced it right

1715
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:32,720
i mean that's the big thing

1716
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:34,720
um and there was something that was said

1717
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:36,880
earlier and all all these guests on here

1718
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:39,440
are are are so worthy of these of these

1719
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:42,240
sound bites that it's so great um but i

1720
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:44,240
think that whenever you have an

1721
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:45,760
experience

1722
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:49,440
it's almost like an unwritten contract

1723
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:50,960
between you

1724
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:53,440
and the subject if that makes any sense

1725
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:56,400
it's almost as if

1726
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,319
you are part of a a switch you know

1727
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:02,720
you're part of that kind of connection

1728
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:04,880
and you have to flip the switch on your

1729
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:07,599
side and it has to flip the switch on on

1730
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:09,839
its side and it makes this circuit this

1731
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:12,400
kind of agreement between the two of you

1732
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:15,040
um to illustrate that even further

1733
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:17,280
um a few years ago uh there was a

1734
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:18,799
snowstorm

1735
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:20,960
and i knew it was going to be hell with

1736
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,799
the murphy family because my kids were

1737
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:24,480
going to be home from school so you know

1738
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:26,079
i needed a cigarette at this point so i

1739
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:28,240
went out to my car to grab a cigarette

1740
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:30,480
and um the the snow was all over the

1741
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:32,799
place you know a nice blanket of snow

1742
01:01:37,829 --> 01:01:34,880
about seven o'clock in the morning

1743
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:37,839
except strangely through my front yard

1744
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:39,920
was a set of tracks

1745
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:42,480
um not large tracks very small tracks

1746
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:44,720
about the size of a five-year-old and i

1747
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:46,480
know the size of a five-year-old's foot

1748
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:49,119
because i have five children and um

1749
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:51,760
there was these naked little tracks that

1750
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:53,359
went through my yard

1751
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,160
i thought well this is very very strange

1752
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:58,799
um and i these were the tracks i talked

1753
01:02:01,750 --> 01:01:59,680
about

1754
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:01,760
they appeared out of nowhere they just

1755
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,240
began in my yard but what had happened

1756
01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:06,480
was it was a right track

1757
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:08,079
a right track

1758
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:10,400
then a right left track as if it stepped

1759
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:12,799
out of something or if it took a while

1760
01:02:17,589 --> 01:02:14,799
to become completely physical i have no

1761
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:17,599
idea but the trackway led up to my

1762
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:20,000
window and whatever it was apparently

1763
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:22,160
appeared into my window and then went

1764
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:24,400
over the hill and then they vanished

1765
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:25,599
again

1766
01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:27,440
so isn't this kind of strange that

1767
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:30,160
somebody that is investigating bigfoot

1768
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:32,000
had some sort of encounter like this

1769
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:35,039
where the thing came looking for me and

1770
01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:36,400
i think a lot of times whenever you talk

1771
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:38,480
to investigators very strange things

1772
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:41,599
happen to them and i'm thinking again

1773
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:44,319
are we part of this world that we are

1774
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:47,119
kind of some sort of um uh paranormal

1775
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:49,680
hotspot where things are picking up on

1776
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:51,599
us you know we're picking up on them i

1777
01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:52,880
think there's there's there's a

1778
01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:54,720
plausibility to be said on that because

1779
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:57,200
some people seem simply to be gifted

1780
01:03:01,589 --> 01:03:00,079
with this or cursed with this uh to

1781
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:01,599
decide depending upon which side of the

1782
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:04,160
fence you stand um

1783
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:06,240
well i i know if you want to get rid of

1784
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:08,480
a possible bigfoot do like ron to take

1785
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:10,640
excalibur out and go ahead that'll do it

1786
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:12,880
well actually that did not work because

1787
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:18,789
yeah

1788
01:03:25,829 --> 01:03:24,240
uh an upright canine or a dog main

1789
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:25,839
encounter why don't you tell us about it

1790
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:28,880
because i don't think i've ever heard it

1791
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:32,079
well it was a dark and stormy night now

1792
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:34,000
i'm just kidding

1793
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:34,799
no

1794
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:36,720
kind of really quickly to touch on what

1795
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:38,640
you said ron i think that what you said

1796
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:40,640
makes a lot of sense because

1797
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:42,480
when you're investigating something and

1798
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:44,000
you're going in there expecting one

1799
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:46,079
thing and then something else happens

1800
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:47,839
that happens a lot

1801
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:49,520
um

1802
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:50,880
i'm going to tell the story about what

1803
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:52,319
happened to me and then i'm going to

1804
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:54,079
give you an example of kind of what ron

1805
01:03:59,029 --> 01:03:56,640
was talking about

1806
01:04:01,829 --> 01:03:59,039
this happened to me in 1990

1807
01:04:03,950 --> 01:04:01,839
and it was uh i guess 30 years ago

1808
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:03,960
um

1809
01:04:09,029 --> 01:04:07,119
31 years now it'd be you know i guess

1810
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:09,039
this this coming october which will be

1811
01:04:12,309 --> 01:04:10,640
several months from now and it'll be 32

1812
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:12,319
years and months just time just seems to

1813
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:14,160
be going so fast

1814
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:15,200
but

1815
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:16,799
i was with a friend of mine who's now a

1816
01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:19,039
preacher in my hometown and he we were

1817
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:22,079
very much bad little delinquent kids

1818
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:24,400
uh got locked up a few times for doing

1819
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:27,839
various you know misdeeds

1820
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:29,520
and that night was no exception we were

1821
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:30,400
throwing

1822
01:04:34,150 --> 01:04:32,480
eggs at cop cars

1823
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:34,160
15 year old kids

1824
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:36,240
out on halloween and my mother gave me a

1825
01:04:41,829 --> 01:04:38,160
very generous curfew which i still

1826
01:04:43,829 --> 01:04:41,839
managed to break um and so i was

1827
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:43,839
at my friend's mother's house and she

1828
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:46,319
was like my second mom and she

1829
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:47,920
had diabetes real bad and she couldn't

1830
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:50,400
drive and she was she couldn't see at

1831
01:04:53,109 --> 01:04:52,079
night you know and so my mom was very

1832
01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:53,119
angry

1833
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:55,119
so she basically told me you walk home

1834
01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:57,440
pendejo that's basically her response

1835
01:05:00,309 --> 01:04:58,559
and so

1836
01:05:02,309 --> 01:05:00,319
uh i started to take the tennis shoe

1837
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:02,319
express with my friend we had another

1838
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:04,319
friend who lived kind of in between our

1839
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:06,960
two houses and he had a he worked on

1840
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:09,440
bikes and his name was daniel too

1841
01:05:14,470 --> 01:05:11,599
but we we we called him by his last name

1842
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:14,480
which was henderson like you elijah and

1843
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:15,280
so

1844
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:18,240
house and we'll walk together and then

1845
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:19,520
you can ride a bike you always had the

1846
01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:21,200
bikes outside and i would just grab one

1847
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:22,880
and i mean we were buddies we all played

1848
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:24,400
ball together

1849
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:28,240
and so we were uh walking and when i see

1850
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:29,599
this thing

1851
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:31,680
about a block at the end of the next

1852
01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:32,799
block up

1853
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:34,720
and it looked like a dog at first it

1854
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:37,839
looked like a black german shepherd

1855
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:39,839
sitting in a ditch

1856
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:41,760
and we thought it was our neighbor's dog

1857
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:44,559
and but it looked way too big to me but

1858
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:46,160
he was kind of convinced that he walked

1859
01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:48,640
up and started trying to call her

1860
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:50,960
and she didn't respond and i said this

1861
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:52,559
is weird i knew something was wrong

1862
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:54,799
because not only was that dog or

1863
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:57,599
whatever not responding but then

1864
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:58,799
there were other dogs in the

1865
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:59,839
neighborhood that should have been

1866
01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:01,359
barking and freaking out they barked at

1867
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:02,640
everything

1868
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:04,400
and so i thought it was it was quiet you

1869
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:06,480
know there's nothing there's no sound

1870
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:08,720
and uh this thing was was moving back

1871
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:10,880
and forth like its front limbs

1872
01:06:14,230 --> 01:06:12,480
and i noticed

1873
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:14,240
that it turned and looked at us i said i

1874
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:16,079
backed up i was like that's not a dog it

1875
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:17,760
looks like a wolf

1876
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:19,599
and he was like what is the wolf doing

1877
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:21,359
in town i mean like you know

1878
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:23,200
of course this isn't a really big town

1879
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:24,720
and you know a couple streets over

1880
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:26,160
you're kind of out of town but it's

1881
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:28,480
still in town you know and

1882
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:29,359
so

1883
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:30,880
it was just

1884
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:34,160
such an aberration you know um just to

1885
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:36,240
see that it was so not normal you know

1886
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:37,920
and it just because it just didn't look

1887
01:06:42,309 --> 01:06:40,079
right and it looked when it looked at us

1888
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:42,319
it had this huge head

1889
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:44,480
and i just remember like where the what

1890
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:46,400
should have been paused came up

1891
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:47,680
and they were like

1892
01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:49,039
like hands

1893
01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:50,240
and i was sitting there looking at this

1894
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:51,839
thing and i thought oh my gosh and you

1895
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:53,680
know you kind of look down and time just

1896
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:55,440
kind of slows down and you remember all

1897
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:57,119
these weird

1898
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,799
like you know but then other things you

1899
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,400
can't remember you know

1900
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:02,319
um i just looked down and i had this

1901
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:04,480
like big drink one of those big

1902
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:06,799
circle k the dr peppers whatever and it

1903
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:08,559
was on the ground i remember looking at

1904
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:10,079
the cup and the ice

1905
01:07:14,069 --> 01:07:11,920
and staring at it

1906
01:07:15,910 --> 01:07:14,079
and i remember words and then my shirt

1907
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:15,920
my neck was burning and my shirt was

1908
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:17,200
ripped because my friend had tried to

1909
01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:19,520
literally drag me to grab me he's

1910
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:21,200
apologized over and over again over the

1911
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:22,799
years he told my wife the story you know

1912
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:24,640
at my nephew's graduation he's like i

1913
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:26,480
always felt bad about leaving him

1914
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:29,280
um but i wouldn't moving i was just

1915
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:30,799
stuck in place

1916
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:32,720
uh and my friend i look and he's already

1917
01:07:36,789 --> 01:07:35,119
like halfway back to his house

1918
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:36,799
and uh i'm standing there because this

1919
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:38,319
thing had gotten up and ran across the

1920
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:39,680
road on two legs

1921
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:41,359
and it just scared the

1922
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:44,000
the crap out of both of us but he ran

1923
01:07:48,150 --> 01:07:46,240
and and i just stood there and then so i

1924
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:48,160
started walking with my jello legs you

1925
01:07:52,630 --> 01:07:49,680
know it was like i just

1926
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:52,640
my legs were like wobbly you know and

1927
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:54,960
there was a big fence at that time and

1928
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:56,720
at the house next door

1929
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:57,920
because people that lived there had a

1930
01:08:01,750 --> 01:07:59,920
bunch of pit bulls and the city had told

1931
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:01,760
them build this big fence or we're gonna

1932
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:03,760
make you give up you know whatever

1933
01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:05,760
um and these people they were drug

1934
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:08,079
dealers and so it was a bad neighborhood

1935
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:09,520
and they were drug dealers and and so

1936
01:08:13,349 --> 01:08:11,680
they ended up eventually getting evicted

1937
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:13,359
but they did actually put the fence up

1938
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:14,640
and then shortly after that they got

1939
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:15,839
raided

1940
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:18,799
so anyways i was walking by that fence

1941
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,319
and that thing

1942
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:22,319
that creature that people call the dog

1943
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:23,600
man which i don't even like that term

1944
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:24,799
because it didn't look like a dog to me

1945
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:26,719
it looked like a freaking wolf on two

1946
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,839
legs

1947
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:29,759
it began to walk

1948
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:32,159
in between the two houses

1949
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:34,080
and it got up to

1950
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:35,759
the fence and it kind of stopped and it

1951
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:38,080
was you know at that point i wasn't

1952
01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:39,920
looking directly at it i was walking by

1953
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:42,080
it and just kind of like kind of seen in

1954
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:44,319
my peripheral and then looking down kind

1955
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:45,600
of at an angle

1956
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:47,440
and i saw the foot

1957
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:49,920
which looked like a weird

1958
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:52,000
claw like it was like like hooked over

1959
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:53,920
the the like at least two of the toes if

1960
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:55,359
i remember correctly we're like hooked

1961
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:57,359
over like one of the chain links

1962
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:59,040
and i just thought what in the heck is

1963
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:00,960
that you know and when i finally looked

1964
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:03,440
up at it it was staring right at me

1965
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:05,520
and i was just like terrified it was

1966
01:09:08,309 --> 01:09:06,239
just

1967
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:08,319
the upper body

1968
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:11,120
looked like a like humanoid like like

1969
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:13,199
like a man and the ba it had the

1970
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:15,120
backward bent legs like a dog had the

1971
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:16,880
back legs of a dog and it just looked

1972
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:18,880
timber wolfish but like big straight

1973
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:21,199
pointy ears um

1974
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:22,960
i've had somebody sculpt the the

1975
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:26,400
creature that i saw in fact hey anthony

1976
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:28,799
can you can you grab me that uh the

1977
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:30,239
texas wolf man

1978
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:32,799
uh charlie perez who i actually was

1979
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:35,440
working on a action figure line with

1980
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:38,080
um he sculpted this thing and if i could

1981
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:39,600
i'll show the audience what it was that

1982
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:40,799
i saw

1983
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:43,040
he's probably come the closest to

1984
01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:45,600
depicting it correctly

1985
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:46,799
and this thing

1986
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:48,799
seven and a half feet tall

1987
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:50,960
and then it went back by the window you

1988
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:54,080
know of my friend's house and his family

1989
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:55,280
some of his family members saw it

1990
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:56,480
through the window

1991
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:58,239
and it just walked back you know but at

1992
01:10:01,830 --> 01:10:00,320
that point i had already gone i didn't

1993
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:01,840
see that part had already gone up to the

1994
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:03,760
porch and was inside

1995
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:05,360
and i just remember sitting there on the

1996
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:06,960
couch and i was probably on the couch

1997
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:09,120
for an hour which i don't even it felt

1998
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:10,560
like an eternity

1999
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:12,719
and i just sat there contemplating what

2000
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:14,000
i had seen

2001
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:15,520
and it was up by the window at that

2002
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:17,040
point everybody was freaking out looking

2003
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:18,960
at it and i had no desire to go and try

2004
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:20,719
to take another look at it i had seen

2005
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:21,679
enough

2006
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:23,040
and uh people have asked me over the

2007
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:24,640
years if i wanted to see it again i said

2008
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:26,400
heck no i don't want to see it again

2009
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:28,080
um i haven't gone out to the field

2010
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:30,080
looking for these things i i had my

2011
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:31,840
confirmation when i was 15 i know they

2012
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:33,760
exist i know it's real

2013
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:35,840
and then subsequently i talked to a

2014
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:38,480
bunch of people from my hometown and

2015
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:40,640
from the air surrounding areas over the

2016
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:42,800
years who've seen these things and

2017
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:45,360
absolutely confirmed that what i saw

2018
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:47,920
was real it existed the fact that it was

2019
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:50,880
able to manipulate the fence

2020
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:52,320
told me that this thing was flushing

2021
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:54,640
blood so for 30 years almost 30 years

2022
01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:57,360
i'd say until december 2019 which would

2023
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:59,360
have been 29 years right you know

2024
01:11:01,590 --> 01:11:00,400
because it was you know at the end of

2025
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:01,600
october

2026
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:04,239
uh i was talking to my friend's brother

2027
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:05,600
now this goes back to what you were

2028
01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:07,120
saying ron about how

2029
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:08,000
um

2030
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:09,760
p people will

2031
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:11,360
will have like an experience you know

2032
01:11:16,630 --> 01:11:13,520
bigfoot but then they end up seeing like

2033
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:16,640
what you little foot you know um

2034
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:17,760
but

2035
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:19,360
i was talking to my friend's brother and

2036
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:21,199
he was actually remodeling a house down

2037
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:23,120
the street which was known

2038
01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:24,640
to be haunted

2039
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:26,560
and so me and my nephew who just brought

2040
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:28,000
me this here

2041
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:30,159
we were there talking to him in december

2042
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:33,360
2019 and he when he was doing their

2043
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,800
modeling on the house i made a joke

2044
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:36,480
about that i said you know i do a show

2045
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:38,400
now and he goes yeah yeah and i said if

2046
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:39,840
you have anything weird happen you know

2047
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:41,199
let me know

2048
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:42,960
and he goes you mean like what we saw

2049
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:44,640
that night back you know and he kind of

2050
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:46,640
touched on that and i said yeah i was

2051
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:47,920
like yeah i was like yeah if you see any

2052
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:50,159
any ghosts or demons let me know and he

2053
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:51,520
goes well he goes you know i haven't

2054
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:54,480
seen any here he goes you know he was

2055
01:11:57,430 --> 01:11:55,760
thoroughly convinced just like his

2056
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:57,440
mother before she passed that this thing

2057
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:58,960
was demonic

2058
01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:01,040
and i asked him that i said you you

2059
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:02,560
really believe that it was like a demon

2060
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:03,679
he goes oh yeah it was definitely

2061
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:05,920
demonic he's like there was black vapor

2062
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:09,199
coming off the back of its neck

2063
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:13,520
29 years and i had never heard that i i

2064
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:15,840
had no idea that anybody saw that i

2065
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:17,600
thought that what i saw was just

2066
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:18,880
flushing blood

2067
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:21,520
it manipulated the fence

2068
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:23,360
i mean you know my friend he was

2069
01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:25,760
convinced it was flesh and blood

2070
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:27,760
but uh i told him i was like why did you

2071
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:29,600
never tell me that he's like you never

2072
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:32,080
asked and he was right i never i'd never

2073
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:34,239
got that detail from him

2074
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:35,600
and i guess that makes sense like

2075
01:12:39,189 --> 01:12:37,280
wyoming and his mother always thought it

2076
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:39,199
was like a demonic entity because they

2077
01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:40,800
saw this coming off of the back of its

2078
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:42,560
neck which i didn't see

2079
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:44,800
and so it took me all those years before

2080
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:46,400
i knew that

2081
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,800
um so when we started talking about it

2082
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:50,560
we hear this loud bang come from the

2083
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:53,280
master bedroom so we all walk in there

2084
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:56,080
and there were these two uh saw horses

2085
01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:58,239
and they had fallen inward

2086
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:00,000
on a flat surface they had completely

2087
01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:02,560
fallen inward and the the the wood was

2088
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:03,760
on the ground

2089
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,360
and i was like that's weird so then we

2090
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:07,440
walked out you know and but it was weird

2091
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:09,600
how we were talking about this incident

2092
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:11,600
and then something

2093
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:13,360
you know happened

2094
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:15,440
um which goes to what you were saying

2095
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,800
ron it was just

2096
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:18,400
it's so weird how it kind of gives you

2097
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:20,400
that confirmation you know

2098
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:23,360
this ladies and gentlemen

2099
01:13:29,189 --> 01:13:25,920
is a rendition of it

2100
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:31,110
right there

2101
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:32,960
the only difference is that charlie made

2102
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:35,520
the ears a little too far apart

2103
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:38,320
what i remember seeing was

2104
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:40,000
you know i gave him the specifications

2105
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,560
and he came up with this amazing piece

2106
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:44,320
the ears were a little bit more up and

2107
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:47,120
down like straight worn off to the side

2108
01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:49,199
like that

2109
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:50,000
so

2110
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:51,760
yeah that that's uh that that's what it

2111
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:53,520
looked like right there now he's got

2112
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:55,120
like a small tail on there and i don't

2113
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:56,800
really remember the tail

2114
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,600
but the backward bent legs

2115
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:01,679
everything looks pretty pretty accurate

2116
01:14:05,830 --> 01:14:03,679
like the the upper body

2117
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:05,840
you know it wasn't like a just gigantic

2118
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:08,000
but it was big built very powerfully

2119
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:09,920
built and it looked very muscular like a

2120
01:14:15,430 --> 01:14:12,640
guy that works out in the gym

2121
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:15,440
that's very similar to the sightings

2122
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:17,120
that we get reported to us here in

2123
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:19,600
pennsylvania yeah uh something that

2124
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:22,719
looks like the underworld lichen

2125
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:25,600
that same type of uh

2126
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:28,719
thin thin ways barrel chest

2127
01:14:33,669 --> 01:14:31,120
muscular

2128
01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:33,679
people say nine eight nine ten foot tall

2129
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:35,120
you know

2130
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:36,000
uh

2131
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:36,880
never

2132
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:42,400
of thing very menacing

2133
01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:44,800
uh many times we've had hunters come up

2134
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:46,480
to these things

2135
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:48,000
and

2136
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:50,159
they're i don't know of a jefferson or

2137
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:52,719
psychic or something but they

2138
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:54,400
they literally feel like they've got to

2139
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:57,120
back away from it that it's telling them

2140
01:15:00,790 --> 01:14:58,880
to back away from it

2141
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:00,800
and they do i mean

2142
01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:02,320
you know they'll hold a gun but they'll

2143
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:04,719
back away

2144
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:05,600
so

2145
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:07,360
elijah one of the things i was going to

2146
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:09,520
ask you

2147
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:12,239
because i know that you and i and i

2148
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:14,239
lamented this and i told you this there

2149
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:15,920
were some guys that had well not there

2150
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:17,520
was one guy and then his friend but

2151
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:18,960
there were several of them that were

2152
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:21,840
teenagers that were there in the lbl

2153
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:24,960
and they saw uh what looked like a

2154
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:26,320
little herd i don't want to call them a

2155
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:27,679
herd or a pack i don't know but they

2156
01:15:31,750 --> 01:15:29,760
looked like these little

2157
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:31,760
uh

2158
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:33,040
i don't know what to call them i call

2159
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:35,280
them devil monkeys you know and elijah

2160
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:37,679
you've talked about this these little

2161
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:39,679
devil monkey looking creatures they came

2162
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:41,520
out of the lbl and somebody gave me that

2163
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:44,400
story back in 2019 when i was maybe six

2164
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:45,840
months into my show

2165
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:48,960
and i was like what is this dude

2166
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:50,320
the guy admitted to me that they had

2167
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:52,880
been drinking and he was only 19 or he

2168
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:54,960
was 16 at the time and the oldest kid

2169
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:57,199
was 19 and i thought well you know

2170
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:59,600
they're not the best witnesses and so i

2171
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:01,920
made the mistake of kind of throwing it

2172
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:03,120
out and saying well you know and then i

2173
01:16:06,709 --> 01:16:05,120
never heard from him again and i kind of

2174
01:16:08,470 --> 01:16:06,719
threw the email out there you know i got

2175
01:16:10,630 --> 01:16:08,480
rid of it because i thought it sounded

2176
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:10,640
kind of silly until later on i started

2177
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:13,120
getting more accounts of this

2178
01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:14,800
and i wish i could get back in touch

2179
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:16,159
with this person

2180
01:16:19,590 --> 01:16:18,239
but i'm pretty sure i kind of aggravated

2181
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:19,600
him because i they asked me if i

2182
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:21,360
believed him and i was very blunt about

2183
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:22,560
it and i said i've never heard of

2184
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:23,760
anything like that that just sounds

2185
01:16:31,270 --> 01:16:24,719
weird

2186
01:16:34,709 --> 01:16:33,030
there's a gentleman who

2187
01:16:36,070 --> 01:16:34,719
gave an account i think it may have even

2188
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:36,080
been cumbo

2189
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:37,760
that said uh

2190
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:39,760
there's a woman who reported her

2191
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:41,520
husband was killed by a couple of monkey

2192
01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:44,560
men down in land between the lakes

2193
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:46,480
i remember that story i heard that

2194
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:48,800
myself

2195
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:55,750
well i mean what do you guys think i

2196
01:16:59,830 --> 01:16:57,920
mean do you guys think that those are

2197
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:59,840
is that is that a type of dog man or is

2198
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:01,600
that just well

2199
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:03,600
i have heard a lot of weird stuff down

2200
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:05,120
from down there

2201
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:06,320
uh

2202
01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:09,440
i mean not just canine but other weird

2203
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:11,440
things as well humanoid sightings

2204
01:17:16,229 --> 01:17:13,679
strange humanoid settings

2205
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:16,239
but uh i've heard some pretty harrowing

2206
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:19,760
upright canine settings too and in fact

2207
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:22,080
there was an incident if i remember

2208
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:23,440
right where

2209
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:26,880
these this family was down at the park

2210
01:17:33,189 --> 01:17:27,920
there

2211
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:33,199
showed this ranger these long footprints

2212
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:34,960
with claws

2213
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:35,920
and

2214
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:37,520
when

2215
01:17:40,470 --> 01:17:39,120
they took him till it and showed it to

2216
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:40,480
him

2217
01:17:45,669 --> 01:17:44,000
so they they went away and

2218
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:45,679
until the next day they had to come back

2219
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:47,520
for something they lost something and

2220
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:49,920
they came back to look for it

2221
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:50,719
and

2222
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:53,120
when they got there that whole area

2223
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:55,360
where the where the claw footprints were

2224
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:57,040
were found

2225
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:59,199
all the turf and everything was pulled

2226
01:18:01,830 --> 01:18:00,080
up

2227
01:18:04,170 --> 01:18:01,840
like somebody took a bulldozer and just

2228
01:18:05,669 --> 01:18:04,180
took it out of there

2229
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:05,679
[Music]

2230
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:06,800
so

2231
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:09,440
yeah i don't know what that's all about

2232
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:12,400
um but that was at ldl i mean

2233
01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:15,280
lbl and uh

2234
01:18:17,990 --> 01:18:16,800
i don't know i don't know

2235
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:18,000
you know i've heard a lot of bigfoot

2236
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:20,239
settings in there too so you know

2237
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:22,080
and that that's another thing

2238
01:18:25,910 --> 01:18:24,000
how many bigfoot

2239
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:25,920
or upright canine sightings get

2240
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:27,679
misidentified or could be one or the

2241
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:28,480
other

2242
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:32,239
you know i've always wondered that um

2243
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:34,000
you know i think here in pennsylvania we

2244
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:36,400
get that occasionally

2245
01:18:39,830 --> 01:18:38,000
because a lot of times we'll get

2246
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:39,840
somebody to say yeah i saw bigfoot but

2247
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:42,239
it had a muzzle on it

2248
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:43,040
or

2249
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:45,760
you know i saw a dog man

2250
01:18:49,110 --> 01:18:46,880
but

2251
01:18:50,229 --> 01:18:49,120
it had a flat nose you know that kind of

2252
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:50,239
stuff

2253
01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:53,120
yeah in 1999 i was out with um

2254
01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:54,719
pennsylvania bigfoot society we were

2255
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:57,440
doing an investigation with sam sherry

2256
01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:58,800
and if anybody knows anything about

2257
01:19:02,550 --> 01:19:00,480
history

2258
01:19:06,149 --> 01:19:02,560
yeah so uh we had an experience about

2259
01:19:08,070 --> 01:19:06,159
1984 where he allegedly he saw bigfoot

2260
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:08,080
and then he sped up to his dying day

2261
01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:09,440
trying to prove that there was still a

2262
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:10,640
bigfoot out there right because he

2263
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:12,239
didn't want anybody to call him crazy

2264
01:19:16,149 --> 01:19:13,760
but we were out in the middle of the

2265
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:16,159
chestnut ridge and uh we were talking

2266
01:19:19,750 --> 01:19:18,159
just talking about his investigations

2267
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:19,760
and his research

2268
01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:22,640
and he looked at me and he said to me um

2269
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:24,800
i uh have seen two different types of

2270
01:19:28,630 --> 01:19:26,400
bigfoot out here

2271
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:28,640
one of them is the big lumbering kind

2272
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:30,400
that you you know you see whenever you

2273
01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:32,320
think about bigfoot uh you know very

2274
01:19:36,310 --> 01:19:34,400
benign type of creature then it kind of

2275
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:36,320
pulled in closer and looked side to side

2276
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:38,320
he said but there's another type of

2277
01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:40,400
bigfoot out here as well too

2278
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:42,800
it's a lot thinner than the big the

2279
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:44,480
other bigfoot out here

2280
01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:47,440
it has a dog-like muzzle and it hunts in

2281
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:50,080
packs now this was 1999 and i never

2282
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:53,040
heard it a part of our vernacular wasn't

2283
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:55,120
dogman yet you know so you don't have to

2284
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:57,120
think about werewolf so i think that

2285
01:20:01,830 --> 01:19:58,800
whatever you were talking about these

2286
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:01,840
kind of things i think it has been for a

2287
01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:04,159
while these things have been reported as

2288
01:20:09,270 --> 01:20:06,159
bigfoot and now maybe a lot of bigfoot

2289
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:09,280
reports are being seen as dogmen but

2290
01:20:14,790 --> 01:20:11,520
yeah i think so because you need to have

2291
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:14,800
the word right as part of our our our

2292
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:16,960
culture in order to identify with what

2293
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:19,199
you're seeing

2294
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:20,960
well you know

2295
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:23,120
and if you talk to eric altman he'll

2296
01:20:27,870 --> 01:20:25,679
tell you i mean he

2297
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:27,880
he was looking into a case around

2298
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:31,280
2013 or 2014

2299
01:20:35,110 --> 01:20:33,120
where

2300
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:35,120
he was sure it was something other than

2301
01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:37,280
a bigfoot uh and you know it could have

2302
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:39,920
been very well been something canine but

2303
01:20:44,870 --> 01:20:42,080
it was making all kinds of crazy noises

2304
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:44,880
that he didn't believe was a big but

2305
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:46,480
uh you know

2306
01:20:49,270 --> 01:20:47,920
you know and that's just what i'm saying

2307
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:49,280
you know when when you're when you're

2308
01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:52,320
looking into bigfoot and for you know

2309
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:55,280
bigfoot pennsylvania bigfoot society and

2310
01:20:58,390 --> 01:20:57,120
others um

2311
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:58,400
who's to say that some of these

2312
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:00,960
varieties may be something else and

2313
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:04,400
you know we've gotten all kinds of uh

2314
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:07,120
we've had the quadruped canines that

2315
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:09,600
have looked like huge hyenas with wolf

2316
01:21:13,510 --> 01:21:10,800
heads

2317
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:13,520
and uh you know it gets to be a weird

2318
01:21:16,910 --> 01:21:15,760
variety of things but uh

2319
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:16,920
yeah i i think there's some

2320
01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:18,560
misidentification that's definitely

2321
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:20,719
going on

2322
01:21:24,510 --> 01:21:23,120
one of the the listeners had a

2323
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:24,520
something here lon

2324
01:21:29,189 --> 01:21:26,480
tamra0142

2325
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:29,199
way back earlier she said something

2326
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:30,560
uh i'm trying to find the comment i

2327
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:33,199
think it was at 857. i tried to earmark

2328
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:34,800
it in my mind

2329
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:37,679
anyway what she said was uh

2330
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:40,719
do these things come from or do they do

2331
01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:43,760
orbs change into these things

2332
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:45,120
i want to make sure that that's what she

2333
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:47,280
said here yeah i remember seeing it yeah

2334
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:48,719
um

2335
01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:50,239
well you know this is something that

2336
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:51,520
stan

2337
01:21:57,270 --> 01:21:53,600
mentioned to me a while back and it does

2338
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:57,280
seem to come up a lot

2339
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:59,760
a lot of the a lot of the bigfoot

2340
01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:01,440
sightings that people have been

2341
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:03,520
reporting and around this area you know

2342
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:05,520
here in all pennsylvania

2343
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:07,760
there's other phenomena attached to it

2344
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:08,800
now

2345
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:13,120
about ufo and bigfoot activity for years

2346
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:14,000
now

2347
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:14,800
but

2348
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:16,480
there are there have been more and more

2349
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:18,880
investigations where

2350
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:20,719
after after the actual citing your

2351
01:22:24,149 --> 01:22:21,920
encounter

2352
01:22:26,470 --> 01:22:24,159
that uh the investigator would go to the

2353
01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:26,480
area and when they'd get there

2354
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:30,239
they'd be see they'd see a lot of warbs

2355
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:31,920
and that seems to be showing up more and

2356
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:34,320
more and you know the orb sightings for

2357
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:36,080
whatever they are you know of course we

2358
01:22:39,669 --> 01:22:38,080
get the orb sightings in

2359
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:39,679
in

2360
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:41,280
alien encounter

2361
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:42,320
you know

2362
01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:44,159
cases all the time

2363
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:46,560
but we're getting more and more with

2364
01:22:53,669 --> 01:22:50,800
with bigfoot and and upper canines

2365
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:53,679
now another listener uh scarborough uh

2366
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:56,320
sasquatch station

2367
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:59,040
made a comment that i wanted to address

2368
01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:01,199
that seemed pretty uh

2369
01:23:05,590 --> 01:23:02,800
relevant

2370
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:05,600
they were asking about what what what is

2371
01:23:10,629 --> 01:23:08,400
a a [\h__\h] like i can't wait i lost it it

2372
01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:10,639
was just there

2373
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:12,480
they were asking about people

2374
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:15,360
shape-shifting and what what causes it

2375
01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:17,360
or what what it could be i guess was the

2376
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:19,600
question

2377
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:24,470
here it says how do shape-shifters

2378
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:27,199
change from human wolf human any idea

2379
01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:29,199
how they can change is it natural or

2380
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:31,199
black magic obviously i don't think it

2381
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:33,600
would be a natural uh

2382
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:36,000
process but i do believe through some

2383
01:23:41,110 --> 01:23:38,159
sort of uh you know

2384
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:41,120
magic i guess i don't know how to

2385
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:43,040
say that i mean that's that's a i don't

2386
01:23:47,590 --> 01:23:45,280
know is it the subjective term what

2387
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:47,600
would you call that i mean magic

2388
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:51,040
to some societies would be uh science

2389
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:52,880
you know to us like you know we can we

2390
01:23:57,189 --> 01:23:55,840
can if you went back to a primitive time

2391
01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:57,199
and showed him a lighter they would be

2392
01:24:00,629 --> 01:23:59,120
like whoa this guy's making magic you

2393
01:24:02,629 --> 01:24:00,639
know that's magic

2394
01:24:04,229 --> 01:24:02,639
um you know now you just look at it you

2395
01:24:06,870 --> 01:24:04,239
know that's a big it's a big lie you

2396
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:06,880
know um it's not magic at all and

2397
01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:08,480
there's nothing really even all that

2398
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:10,159
sciencey about it but

2399
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:11,920
yeah i mean i think it's just it just

2400
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:14,320
all depends on the society but i do

2401
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:15,760
believe that there is a way to do this

2402
01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:17,440
and people think i'm crazy when i tell

2403
01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:18,719
them that but look

2404
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:21,280
i got a report off of lake travis

2405
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:22,800
there was a guy that was a security and

2406
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:23,840
i know a lot of security people have

2407
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:25,600
been doing it for years i have a company

2408
01:24:28,229 --> 01:24:27,440
and we work with all kinds of different

2409
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:28,239
people

2410
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:30,320
and he was out there they were doing the

2411
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:32,320
pest control in the early months of the

2412
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:33,840
spring you know because they go and they

2413
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:35,440
they they do the pest control on the

2414
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:37,440
yachts and stuff people want

2415
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:39,760
because those boats that dock there they

2416
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:41,679
get a lot of spiders and things in them

2417
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:44,080
which i hate but anyway we had a guy

2418
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:45,679
that was doing security out there and so

2419
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:47,840
he told us a crazy story

2420
01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:49,679
um he told me and three of my guys he

2421
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:52,480
told us that he had a pest control guy

2422
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:53,600
come out there and when they were

2423
01:24:58,870 --> 01:24:56,239
walking out there to the docks

2424
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:58,880
they saw this what looked like a dog you

2425
01:25:01,510 --> 01:25:00,239
know swimming

2426
01:25:02,709 --> 01:25:01,520
in the water and they thought oh there's

2427
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:02,719
something swimming in the water and it

2428
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:04,880
had like a dog-like head as it got

2429
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,040
closer they thought oh it's a it's a

2430
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:09,440
it's a wolf it's it's black

2431
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:11,280
and then as it got closer they were like

2432
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:13,520
that is not a wolf that isn't a dog i

2433
01:25:18,149 --> 01:25:15,360
don't know what that is and it looked it

2434
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:18,159
really elongated and they they saw the

2435
01:25:22,470 --> 01:25:20,239
weird-looking feet coming up from behind

2436
01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:22,480
it which that's not going to be you know

2437
01:25:27,189 --> 01:25:25,120
and it looked more humanoid in shape and

2438
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:27,199
it didn't have the the dog like doing

2439
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:28,800
the dog paddle thing and it was like a

2440
01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:30,560
man swimming

2441
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:32,480
look like his front was doing a dog

2442
01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:33,840
paddle but his back legs were kind of

2443
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:35,199
kicking back and forth and they were

2444
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:37,360
like dude what in the heck is that

2445
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:38,960
well here's the weird story and i've

2446
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:41,760
told this story on my show and like it

2447
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:44,560
got to the shore

2448
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:46,560
when this thing got like got up out of

2449
01:25:50,229 --> 01:25:48,480
the water it was on all fours it

2450
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:50,239
immediately came up once it got

2451
01:25:54,950 --> 01:25:52,480
completely on the land popped up onto

2452
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:54,960
two legs and as it continued to walk it

2453
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:56,719
began to shrink before their eyes like

2454
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:58,960
just began to get smaller and smaller

2455
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:01,920
and the hair began to fall off of it

2456
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:04,000
turning into like a green mist it was

2457
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:06,000
coming off of this creature

2458
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:08,800
and this thing turned into a

2459
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:11,600
uh swarthy skinned

2460
01:26:16,629 --> 01:26:14,400
native american looking person with long

2461
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:16,639
hair and he just kind of shook off like

2462
01:26:19,750 --> 01:26:18,000
that and he turned and looked at them

2463
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:19,760
and he just kind of nodded like what's

2464
01:26:23,669 --> 01:26:22,080
up and then went right into the woods

2465
01:26:27,110 --> 01:26:23,679
completely naked

2466
01:26:28,870 --> 01:26:27,120
um and and this story was told to me

2467
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:28,880
i asked both of these guys and i got a

2468
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:30,880
hold of the pest control guy and that

2469
01:26:34,709 --> 01:26:32,880
was a chore in itself but i got a hold

2470
01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:34,719
of him and i said hey can you talk to me

2471
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:36,480
about this he kind of blew me off at

2472
01:26:39,669 --> 01:26:38,320
first i was persistent and then the guy

2473
01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:39,679
said look i'm going to tell you what i

2474
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:41,199
saw

2475
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:42,560
i mean this was

2476
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:44,960
identical to they had the same story it

2477
01:26:48,790 --> 01:26:46,800
wasn't you know they didn't i don't

2478
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:48,800
believe they were deviating and i i

2479
01:26:52,149 --> 01:26:50,639
believe that i believe them

2480
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:52,159
i don't think they concocted this there

2481
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:54,719
was nothing to be gained by it uh me and

2482
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:56,960
three different people uh heard this

2483
01:27:00,629 --> 01:26:58,880
story and so

2484
01:27:01,990 --> 01:27:00,639
i i you know we went to go eat lunch

2485
01:27:03,270 --> 01:27:02,000
afterwards just me and my brother and a

2486
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:03,280
couple other people and we were talking

2487
01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:04,800
about this and like what is to be made

2488
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:06,400
of that what do you think we came up

2489
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:09,120
with all kinds of theories and ideas

2490
01:27:13,030 --> 01:27:10,560
um

2491
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:13,040
you know a guy in a suit

2492
01:27:16,390 --> 01:27:14,880
i don't know i mean you know but

2493
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:16,400
the way that they were describing the it

2494
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:19,040
was like literally morphing i mean

2495
01:27:22,229 --> 01:27:20,800
does that mean that werewolves exist no

2496
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:22,239
i'm not saying that these things are

2497
01:27:26,470 --> 01:27:24,239
werewolves but could that be one of the

2498
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:26,480
possibilities because we have skin

2499
01:27:31,990 --> 01:27:28,480
walkers we have stories of skinwalkers

2500
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:32,000
doing all kinds of crazy things dude um

2501
01:27:35,430 --> 01:27:33,760
i had a friend of mine he's a ute and he

2502
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:35,440
told me he's like don't trust deer don't

2503
01:27:39,030 --> 01:27:37,120
trust coyotes because around here you

2504
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:39,040
don't know if that's really what that is

2505
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:40,719
i mean he told me that point blank you

2506
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:41,679
know i mean these things will jump

2507
01:27:44,629 --> 01:27:43,120
across the road and make you wreck and

2508
01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:44,639
it's a skin walker

2509
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:47,440
and so when you hear stories like that

2510
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:50,000
of like these uh these skin walker type

2511
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:51,280
creatures

2512
01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:53,280
are entities whatever then you know that

2513
01:27:58,629 --> 01:27:55,600
there's something more going on

2514
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:58,639
than just like a uh

2515
01:28:01,750 --> 01:28:00,239
a flesh and blood like creature that

2516
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:01,760
just lives in the woods all the time or

2517
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:03,440
whatever there's more than just that

2518
01:28:09,189 --> 01:28:06,560
going on i had a woman on my on my show

2519
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:09,199
who has a very large group

2520
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:12,400
you know on on facebook and she she came

2521
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:14,560
on my show and she talked about what she

2522
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:16,320
believed was a werewolf she saw a

2523
01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:17,440
werewolf

2524
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:19,600
um you know the clothes were there there

2525
01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:21,520
was a pile of clothes and then she ran

2526
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:23,360
into this thing out of the

2527
01:28:26,070 --> 01:28:24,639
middle of the woods it was a giant

2528
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:26,080
looking creature

2529
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:29,040
um you she knew it was a not a

2530
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:30,880
dog man as we think of as like something

2531
01:28:33,910 --> 01:28:32,719
that's that way 24 7. it was a

2532
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:33,920
shape-shifter

2533
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,800
um

2534
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:36,719
you know i really think that that could

2535
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:39,679
be a possibility um

2536
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:42,080
when you start to get deep really deep

2537
01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:43,920
you start to go back into the legends

2538
01:28:47,830 --> 01:28:45,440
that we have

2539
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:47,840
uh i did a show on bible theology i

2540
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:49,199
think it's very important you know

2541
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:51,280
because i did it with paul wallace he's

2542
01:28:55,669 --> 01:28:53,040
from the fifth country's good guy

2543
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:55,679
and we talked about you know

2544
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:56,960
we touched on a lot of different

2545
01:29:01,830 --> 01:28:58,719
subjects how the bible translations

2546
01:29:02,870 --> 01:29:01,840
aren't correct because the the language

2547
01:29:04,870 --> 01:29:02,880
barrier

2548
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:04,880
um and i think that what

2549
01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:06,960
where we come from as a people i think

2550
01:29:11,669 --> 01:29:09,280
that we i do believe in the one god the

2551
01:29:14,149 --> 01:29:11,679
most high but i also think that we may

2552
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:14,159
have been seated here by a population

2553
01:29:18,070 --> 01:29:16,320
that resembled us and they made us in

2554
01:29:20,390 --> 01:29:18,080
their image and i and i touched on this

2555
01:29:22,870 --> 01:29:20,400
on my show on tuesday that i believe

2556
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:22,880
that these nephilim these dog men or

2557
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:24,000
whatever you want to call them could

2558
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:25,840
have been something that was created by

2559
01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:26,880
them

2560
01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:30,880
to uh control us the humans

2561
01:29:34,149 --> 01:29:32,480
you know now somebody asked me the

2562
01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:34,159
question why did they make us so

2563
01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:35,679
diminutive and small i was like you

2564
01:29:39,910 --> 01:29:38,639
wouldn't want something your same size

2565
01:29:41,750 --> 01:29:39,920
you know breeding and getting out of

2566
01:29:43,030 --> 01:29:41,760
control so you had to make them smaller

2567
01:29:44,950 --> 01:29:43,040
so that if they got out of control you

2568
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:44,960
could just dump them punch them across

2569
01:29:49,189 --> 01:29:47,440
the room or whatever and so that's why

2570
01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:49,199
they were giants that's why they were so

2571
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:50,239
large

2572
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:51,280
and of course they're going to make

2573
01:29:55,510 --> 01:29:53,760
these their guardians their guard dogs

2574
01:29:57,430 --> 01:29:55,520
the dog man they're going to be bigger

2575
01:29:59,030 --> 01:29:57,440
and stronger and more powerful than us

2576
01:30:01,669 --> 01:29:59,040
but not quite as big and as strong as

2577
01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:01,679
them so they could still be subdued

2578
01:30:05,110 --> 01:30:03,600
but hey this this human is getting out

2579
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:05,120
of getting out of line he doesn't want

2580
01:30:09,430 --> 01:30:07,440
to use his pickaxe to mine for gold or

2581
01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:09,440
whatever tool they gave us

2582
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:10,560
um

2583
01:30:13,830 --> 01:30:11,840
now he thinks he's going to leave we'll

2584
01:30:15,590 --> 01:30:13,840
go ahead and get him and bring him back

2585
01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:15,600
but then the flood comes this is just a

2586
01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:17,840
theory but then the flood comes and and

2587
01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:19,520
it wipes out all these creatures or at

2588
01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:21,760
least a bunch of them because it didn't

2589
01:30:24,229 --> 01:30:22,800
flood the entire earth and

2590
01:30:25,270 --> 01:30:24,239
archaeologically we know that there was

2591
01:30:26,629 --> 01:30:25,280
flooding

2592
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:26,639
um so this would have been an

2593
01:30:31,189 --> 01:30:29,600
anti-deluvian period but after that

2594
01:30:34,390 --> 01:30:31,199
it says in the book of enoch that they

2595
01:30:35,990 --> 01:30:34,400
became evil spirits for all time so what

2596
01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:36,000
they just went into the fourth dimension

2597
01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:37,280
where you know where they originally

2598
01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:40,000
came from you know as forms they can

2599
01:30:43,830 --> 01:30:41,920
come in and out of our world

2600
01:30:45,910 --> 01:30:43,840
uh linda godfrey posed the theory that

2601
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:45,920
when they come to our world the longer

2602
01:30:49,510 --> 01:30:47,199
they're here

2603
01:30:51,189 --> 01:30:49,520
the the more they they have to actually

2604
01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:51,199
they're physical they become more

2605
01:30:55,030 --> 01:30:52,960
physical they have to eat they have to

2606
01:30:56,149 --> 01:30:55,040
you know use the bathroom and do all

2607
01:30:58,390 --> 01:30:56,159
these things that's why you see them

2608
01:30:59,830 --> 01:30:58,400
eating roadkill you know in elkhorn you

2609
01:31:01,669 --> 01:30:59,840
know wisconsin

2610
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:01,679
um you know you see them on the side of

2611
01:31:06,790 --> 01:31:05,280
the road you know eating deer and hogs

2612
01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:06,800
um because when they're in our world

2613
01:31:11,030 --> 01:31:08,639
they're living by our rules you know

2614
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:11,040
what i mean um but but they are really

2615
01:31:14,950 --> 01:31:12,960
just from another dimensional plane of

2616
01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:14,960
existence um you know

2617
01:31:18,470 --> 01:31:16,960
in the kabbalah if and i'm not like

2618
01:31:20,950 --> 01:31:18,480
advocating everybody go and read about

2619
01:31:23,189 --> 01:31:20,960
magic or whatever but if you read this

2620
01:31:25,270 --> 01:31:23,199
it talks about demons or whatever we

2621
01:31:27,510 --> 01:31:25,280
know of as demons as christians in the

2622
01:31:28,870 --> 01:31:27,520
jewish faith that talks about them as

2623
01:31:31,590 --> 01:31:28,880
uh creatures

2624
01:31:34,149 --> 01:31:31,600
that were from another another universe

2625
01:31:36,870 --> 01:31:34,159
that was compressed up upon itself like

2626
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:36,880
it you know compressed and they became

2627
01:31:41,430 --> 01:31:38,800
fragmented beings so that's why the

2628
01:31:44,229 --> 01:31:41,440
demons look like a mismatch of different

2629
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:44,239
animal parts or whatever i think that

2630
01:31:47,590 --> 01:31:45,840
that could be

2631
01:31:48,870 --> 01:31:47,600
making a reference to the anti-diluvian

2632
01:31:50,629 --> 01:31:48,880
period when these things were roaming

2633
01:31:53,430 --> 01:31:50,639
around freely

2634
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:53,440
and then something happened and now you

2635
01:31:57,270 --> 01:31:55,199
got these weird you know types of

2636
01:31:59,910 --> 01:31:57,280
creatures or whatever you know i mean

2637
01:32:01,350 --> 01:31:59,920
that's another way to look at it i mean

2638
01:32:03,189 --> 01:32:01,360
i don't know i just think if you go

2639
01:32:05,189 --> 01:32:03,199
around the rabbit hole far enough it

2640
01:32:07,270 --> 01:32:05,199
takes you back to the annunaki

2641
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:07,280
and whatever tampering they were doing

2642
01:32:11,430 --> 01:32:09,600
the fallen you know

2643
01:32:13,030 --> 01:32:11,440
and they were not supposed to do that

2644
01:32:14,550 --> 01:32:13,040
they were sent here for a specific

2645
01:32:16,229 --> 01:32:14,560
reason and they decided to do whatever

2646
01:32:18,229 --> 01:32:16,239
they wanted to do

2647
01:32:21,189 --> 01:32:18,239
and their king

2648
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:21,199
or kings set themselves up as gods

2649
01:32:24,229 --> 01:32:22,800
and you know they lived to be thousands

2650
01:32:26,629 --> 01:32:24,239
and thousands of years which also

2651
01:32:29,510 --> 01:32:26,639
coincides with the yugas you know the

2652
01:32:31,750 --> 01:32:29,520
different time periods the dwarpa yuga

2653
01:32:33,270 --> 01:32:31,760
which i think ended with the flood

2654
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:33,280
which i think in the in those days

2655
01:32:36,790 --> 01:32:34,960
people lived to be ten thousand years

2656
01:32:39,430 --> 01:32:36,800
and in the tetra yuga before that they

2657
01:32:40,950 --> 01:32:39,440
lived to be you know uh you know that

2658
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:40,960
was a thousand years i'm sorry doorbell

2659
01:32:44,390 --> 01:32:42,480
the tetrahedron was ten thousand years

2660
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:44,400
and the saturated 100 000 years

2661
01:32:48,950 --> 01:32:46,960
i mean michael cremo he talks about that

2662
01:32:50,470 --> 01:32:48,960
i think there's some validity to that

2663
01:32:53,189 --> 01:32:50,480
and i think that with these creatures

2664
01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:53,199
where they come from um within the earth

2665
01:32:57,030 --> 01:32:55,440
you know in the book of job when god

2666
01:32:58,550 --> 01:32:57,040
talks to satan he says where have you

2667
01:33:01,350 --> 01:32:58,560
been he says i've been walking to and

2668
01:33:02,870 --> 01:33:01,360
fro upon and within the earth

2669
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:02,880
i think that's very telling i think that

2670
01:33:06,709 --> 01:33:05,040
passage is very telling because he's

2671
01:33:08,790 --> 01:33:06,719
telling god that he dwells within the

2672
01:33:10,149 --> 01:33:08,800
earth he spent some time there i mean

2673
01:33:11,990 --> 01:33:10,159
he's been up under the earth doing

2674
01:33:14,950 --> 01:33:12,000
whatever he's been doing

2675
01:33:16,709 --> 01:33:14,960
um you know and so he's chaton he's you

2676
01:33:18,470 --> 01:33:16,719
know the evil one the dark one or

2677
01:33:20,229 --> 01:33:18,480
whatever of course he's going to have

2678
01:33:21,430 --> 01:33:20,239
minions and they're going to live

2679
01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:21,440
somewhere

2680
01:33:26,310 --> 01:33:23,600
and i think that their ability to be

2681
01:33:27,189 --> 01:33:26,320
metaphysical and and shape shift and all

2682
01:33:32,229 --> 01:33:27,199
that

2683
01:33:33,750 --> 01:33:32,239
people learn to open up more strands of

2684
01:33:36,070 --> 01:33:33,760
dna

2685
01:33:37,990 --> 01:33:36,080
and i think it actually can they can

2686
01:33:40,870 --> 01:33:38,000
they can perform these these types of

2687
01:33:42,310 --> 01:33:40,880
rituals and this magic um elijah we've

2688
01:33:45,189 --> 01:33:42,320
talked about this about the granny

2689
01:33:46,229 --> 01:33:45,199
witches and of course the the

2690
01:33:47,830 --> 01:33:46,239
amish

2691
01:33:50,629 --> 01:33:47,840
and law and me and you spoke not too

2692
01:33:52,790 --> 01:33:50,639
long ago about the amish um and how they

2693
01:33:54,790 --> 01:33:52,800
have a book uh which they practice some

2694
01:33:56,790 --> 01:33:54,800
magic called pow wow and they have a

2695
01:34:00,310 --> 01:33:56,800
book called my companion

2696
01:34:01,990 --> 01:34:00,320
and then those books they are lost

2697
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:02,000
long lost friends i've actually got a

2698
01:34:05,669 --> 01:34:03,440
copy of that

2699
01:34:08,149 --> 01:34:05,679
yeah and so you know

2700
01:34:10,790 --> 01:34:08,159
right but i got it i mean

2701
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:10,800
the esoteric you know i mean it's just

2702
01:34:15,590 --> 01:34:13,679
it's it's crazy i mean like i've seen

2703
01:34:17,110 --> 01:34:15,600
spells i've been to colenderas and

2704
01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:17,120
brinas i don't

2705
01:34:20,390 --> 01:34:19,199
partake of it but i've i've interviewed

2706
01:34:22,229 --> 01:34:20,400
them i've talked to them and they've

2707
01:34:23,669 --> 01:34:22,239
told me yeah i can put a spell on you

2708
01:34:24,550 --> 01:34:23,679
and make you

2709
01:34:27,110 --> 01:34:24,560
you know

2710
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:27,120
weak and and feeble and senile and they

2711
01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:28,639
can do all kinds of things they can

2712
01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:30,719
afflict you in so many different types

2713
01:34:36,070 --> 01:34:33,600
of ways um you know my friend's uh

2714
01:34:37,990 --> 01:34:36,080
mother she's me she's a medicine woman

2715
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:38,000
and she she can do all kinds of things

2716
01:34:40,709 --> 01:34:38,880
to you

2717
01:34:42,310 --> 01:34:40,719
um you know she put me on the phone with

2718
01:34:43,750 --> 01:34:42,320
this woman from vietnam that that told

2719
01:34:45,350 --> 01:34:43,760
me that i had an uncle that died when he

2720
01:34:47,270 --> 01:34:45,360
was 18. his name was paul she had no way

2721
01:34:48,950 --> 01:34:47,280
to know that she's like over there in

2722
01:34:49,990 --> 01:34:48,960
saigon like how the heck would she know

2723
01:34:52,950 --> 01:34:50,000
that

2724
01:34:54,470 --> 01:34:52,960
um you know and so magic

2725
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:54,480
i think it's real i mean i think that

2726
01:34:57,669 --> 01:34:56,159
these people can really do these things

2727
01:34:59,350 --> 01:34:57,679
and i think if it's practice the way

2728
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:59,360
that they practice it there could be

2729
01:35:02,709 --> 01:35:00,800
shape shifters

2730
01:35:04,950 --> 01:35:02,719
things going on that we just don't

2731
01:35:06,550 --> 01:35:04,960
understand which to us right now

2732
01:35:08,229 --> 01:35:06,560
it's magic but eventually some days

2733
01:35:12,310 --> 01:35:08,239
science will catch up to it it will be

2734
01:35:16,629 --> 01:35:14,310
well i'm gonna have um i'm gonna have

2735
01:35:18,550 --> 01:35:16,639
vincent put a photograph up here we all

2736
01:35:20,790 --> 01:35:18,560
have seen it it's the beast of seven

2737
01:35:21,669 --> 01:35:20,800
shoots now what the hell is this thing

2738
01:35:25,350 --> 01:35:21,679
i'll tell

2739
01:35:30,950 --> 01:35:27,430
the guy who took this photograph first

2740
01:35:32,790 --> 01:35:30,960
contacted me about it

2741
01:35:35,149 --> 01:35:32,800
and that was i don't even know the year

2742
01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:35,159
was a

2743
01:35:39,350 --> 01:35:38,000
2008-2009 i can't remember

2744
01:35:41,669 --> 01:35:39,360
but anyway

2745
01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:41,679
he showed it to me

2746
01:35:44,470 --> 01:35:42,560
and

2747
01:35:58,070 --> 01:35:44,480
i

2748
01:36:00,149 --> 01:35:58,080
uh

2749
01:36:01,669 --> 01:36:00,159
the more and more i looked at this thing

2750
01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:01,679
i don't know what it was holding people

2751
01:36:05,109 --> 01:36:03,360
say it was holding a white dog i don't

2752
01:36:07,350 --> 01:36:05,119
know what it was holding

2753
01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:07,360
but uh i'd like to get your comments on

2754
01:36:15,430 --> 01:36:09,040
that and what you guys think this

2755
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:17,750
it looks like an upright baboon doesn't

2756
01:36:24,550 --> 01:36:21,760
it it looks like it looks like a bipedal

2757
01:36:26,390 --> 01:36:24,560
i don't know it's a huge animal though

2758
01:36:29,030 --> 01:36:26,400
um

2759
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:29,040
yeah the the the like that would be my

2760
01:36:33,189 --> 01:36:30,480
first impression that we're looking at

2761
01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:33,199
something with the head of a baboon

2762
01:36:38,470 --> 01:36:36,639
um it has almost the kind of long arms

2763
01:36:41,669 --> 01:36:38,480
as one two

2764
01:36:41,679 --> 01:36:49,430
just strange yeah just strange

2765
01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:58,709
[Music]

2766
01:36:58,719 --> 01:37:01,750
what do you think josh

2767
01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:03,590
i'll let kenny go first i've been

2768
01:37:09,510 --> 01:37:06,239
talking too much i want to can he give

2769
01:37:12,229 --> 01:37:09,520
me your give us uh your opinion on that

2770
01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:12,239
yeah yeah it's funny um when ron said

2771
01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:14,080
baboon that's the first thing like like

2772
01:37:18,229 --> 01:37:16,239
i thought of it does have like that

2773
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:18,239
baboon head now

2774
01:37:24,229 --> 01:37:21,920
i um like no no no neck in the first

2775
01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:24,239
thing like i when i saw the

2776
01:37:27,910 --> 01:37:26,320
what you know that that white thing like

2777
01:37:29,669 --> 01:37:27,920
it's holding something like i saw it

2778
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:29,679
kind of kind of as pink and i was

2779
01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:31,280
looking at it like you know is that like

2780
01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:33,040
a pig

2781
01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:35,440
i i i don't know it's in it looks like

2782
01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:36,880
yeah it looks like it's kind of got like

2783
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:42,470
dinopithecus

2784
01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:45,350
uh mason county texas i got reports of

2785
01:37:50,709 --> 01:37:48,080
these kids were shooting fireworks off

2786
01:37:53,109 --> 01:37:50,719
and they describe to me

2787
01:37:55,270 --> 01:37:53,119
what i think was a dynapeticus i think

2788
01:37:57,750 --> 01:37:55,280
it was it was a to me it's a prehistoric

2789
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:57,760
baboon looking creature it didn't

2790
01:38:01,990 --> 01:38:00,239
it didn't i mean yeah dog man in the way

2791
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:02,000
that it had a snout but i mean like a

2792
01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:03,679
baboon or a mandrel

2793
01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:04,960
that's the only thing i could think of

2794
01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:06,719
you know like but it doesn't have the

2795
01:38:09,910 --> 01:38:09,119
the color you know the colorful without

2796
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:09,920
but

2797
01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:13,199
the guy who took the photograph

2798
01:38:18,790 --> 01:38:16,400
he i had asked him to go back down

2799
01:38:21,030 --> 01:38:18,800
where he took it at and to try to

2800
01:38:23,270 --> 01:38:21,040
measure

2801
01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:23,280
where he thought it stood at and the

2802
01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:25,520
height and everything and he it was him

2803
01:38:29,270 --> 01:38:27,360
actually he he and three other people

2804
01:38:32,550 --> 01:38:29,280
went down there again

2805
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:32,560
a couple days later and

2806
01:38:36,629 --> 01:38:34,960
the best they can measure was this thing

2807
01:38:40,229 --> 01:38:36,639
stood about

2808
01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:42,149
and they did go back through and look

2809
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:44,480
for any evidence

2810
01:38:48,550 --> 01:38:46,800
uh but he said

2811
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:48,560
he really couldn't find much of anything

2812
01:38:51,830 --> 01:38:50,159
it was so heavy in there it was in the

2813
01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:51,840
middle of summer

2814
01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:53,440
of course you can see all the leaves and

2815
01:38:57,990 --> 01:38:56,400
everything so um

2816
01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:58,000
and the one thing that's interesting to

2817
01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:00,719
me is i've been trying to find

2818
01:39:05,669 --> 01:39:03,280
any evidence of anybody seeing

2819
01:39:07,270 --> 01:39:05,679
anything in that area

2820
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:07,280
i don't even think there's a bigfoot

2821
01:39:11,590 --> 01:39:09,199
report has come out of there and any and

2822
01:39:16,870 --> 01:39:11,600
that place is huge

2823
01:39:20,470 --> 01:39:18,790
could it be a bigfoot you would said

2824
01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:20,480
that they that they went back did they

2825
01:39:25,270 --> 01:39:23,679
by chance take any pictures of that

2826
01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:25,280
area again

2827
01:39:31,109 --> 01:39:27,360
they did they did

2828
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:32,870
vincent said that it looks like a

2829
01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:35,440
silverback with a baboon face

2830
01:39:39,669 --> 01:39:37,199
to me this looks like a maybe a

2831
01:39:42,790 --> 01:39:39,679
prehistoric mandrel yeah i mean you know

2832
01:39:44,229 --> 01:39:42,800
dinopithecus is definitely a prehistoric

2833
01:39:46,390 --> 01:39:44,239
baboon i think that those things are

2834
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:46,400
running around out there too i mean

2835
01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:49,360
i think that we have some uh

2836
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:51,280
some creatures that uh are definitely

2837
01:39:56,470 --> 01:39:54,400
just throwbacks and they're still there

2838
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:56,480
yeah to play devil's advocate though i

2839
01:39:59,750 --> 01:39:58,480
mean i could probably make an argument

2840
01:40:00,790 --> 01:39:59,760
that it's also

2841
01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:00,800
you know

2842
01:40:05,030 --> 01:40:03,440
a tree when we're we're we're seeing

2843
01:40:07,030 --> 01:40:05,040
something that's actually not there as

2844
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:07,040
well which is so interesting what kenny

2845
01:40:10,950 --> 01:40:08,800
said i mean it would be great to go back

2846
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:10,960
there and photograph those spots to see

2847
01:40:14,229 --> 01:40:12,239
if anything else

2848
01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:14,239
uh appears there you know what was

2849
01:40:17,830 --> 01:40:16,560
actually there well he he said it was

2850
01:40:19,830 --> 01:40:17,840
moving

2851
01:40:21,189 --> 01:40:19,840
that's how it caught his attention and

2852
01:40:24,070 --> 01:40:21,199
he said when he went back there went

2853
01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:24,080
back there right uh

2854
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:25,679
i don't know i mean

2855
01:40:29,990 --> 01:40:28,400
this thing has confounded me from for

2856
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:30,000
years

2857
01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:32,400
and uh everyone every once in a while i

2858
01:40:38,709 --> 01:40:35,119
go back and look at it i've actually

2859
01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:38,719
broke it down to sections

2860
01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:40,560
at one point to try to figure out what

2861
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:44,159
the hell this thing was but um

2862
01:40:47,669 --> 01:40:45,600
you know out of all the things i've

2863
01:40:50,070 --> 01:40:47,679
gotten over all the years i think this

2864
01:40:51,750 --> 01:40:50,080
is probably one that's confounded me is

2865
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:51,760
more than anything there's yeah there's

2866
01:41:00,229 --> 01:40:57,350
it's a little it looks more canine-like

2867
01:41:01,669 --> 01:41:00,239
from that angle yeah it does

2868
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:01,679
it's weird

2869
01:41:04,870 --> 01:41:03,440
i think barton would be able to shed

2870
01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:04,880
some light on that we need to show him

2871
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:07,119
that one elijah because barton

2872
01:41:13,109 --> 01:41:10,080
the sykesville monster um

2873
01:41:13,910 --> 01:41:13,119
i'm sorry spotsfield monster

2874
01:41:15,910 --> 01:41:13,920
uh

2875
01:41:17,990 --> 01:41:15,920
you know he's writing he's still writing

2876
01:41:19,750 --> 01:41:18,000
that book and now that he's changing

2877
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:19,760
jobs he's been having a little more time

2878
01:41:23,109 --> 01:41:21,840
i'm hoping that he'll finish it

2879
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:23,119
he talked about these two different

2880
01:41:26,470 --> 01:41:24,719
creatures that were

2881
01:41:28,229 --> 01:41:26,480
they had a i guess a symbiotic

2882
01:41:30,550 --> 01:41:28,239
relationship because one of them was

2883
01:41:33,669 --> 01:41:30,560
bigfoot looking

2884
01:41:35,830 --> 01:41:33,679
but it had uh the dog man face

2885
01:41:38,229 --> 01:41:35,840
but the ears weren't didn't stick up the

2886
01:41:39,510 --> 01:41:38,239
ears were on the side of the head elijah

2887
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:39,520
you've heard barton talk about this

2888
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:41,040
right

2889
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:42,960
oh we lost him

2890
01:41:45,750 --> 01:41:44,400
well anyway barton told me that there

2891
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:45,760
were two different creatures and one of

2892
01:41:49,270 --> 01:41:46,560
them

2893
01:41:51,669 --> 01:41:49,280
looked more like a werewolf and the

2894
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:51,679
other one looked kind of like a bigfoot

2895
01:41:54,629 --> 01:41:53,440
but it had the ears on the side but it

2896
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:54,639
had a snout

2897
01:41:57,270 --> 01:41:55,440
which

2898
01:42:00,149 --> 01:41:57,280
it looks very much like that beast of

2899
01:42:02,790 --> 01:42:00,159
seven shoots photo and so when barton

2900
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:02,800
nunley told me that

2901
01:42:06,070 --> 01:42:04,400
that that's that's what came to mind was

2902
01:42:07,270 --> 01:42:06,080
like beasts of seven shoots you know we

2903
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:07,280
were talking one night and he was

2904
01:42:10,870 --> 01:42:09,119
describing to me how

2905
01:42:12,629 --> 01:42:10,880
they would be seen together too it

2906
01:42:14,470 --> 01:42:12,639
wasn't they were they were different

2907
01:42:15,669 --> 01:42:14,480
distinctly different creatures

2908
01:42:16,870 --> 01:42:15,679
but yet they were running around

2909
01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:16,880
together

2910
01:42:19,990 --> 01:42:18,400
and before people say oh well that

2911
01:42:22,709 --> 01:42:20,000
doesn't make any sense well why do you

2912
01:42:24,870 --> 01:42:22,719
see dog men hanging out with coyotes or

2913
01:42:27,270 --> 01:42:24,880
even little dogs i mean we've heard the

2914
01:42:30,149 --> 01:42:27,280
stories of these

2915
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:30,159
things you know and it's just

2916
01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:34,080
uh what what are they i have no idea um

2917
01:42:38,149 --> 01:42:36,239
why they do what they do

2918
01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:38,159
i mean i can't answer that i just

2919
01:42:42,629 --> 01:42:39,679
another thing

2920
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:42,639
that's really odd is you you and i and i

2921
01:42:45,510 --> 01:42:44,639
i told somebody this recently

2922
01:42:47,189 --> 01:42:45,520
um

2923
01:42:49,189 --> 01:42:47,199
i had somebody ask me they said why is

2924
01:42:50,550 --> 01:42:49,199
this rake looking creature this uh

2925
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:50,560
translucent

2926
01:42:54,149 --> 01:42:52,320
you know really skinny pale humanoid

2927
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:54,159
creature that crawls around

2928
01:42:58,470 --> 01:42:56,800
i know lon one of the stories that you

2929
01:43:00,709 --> 01:42:58,480
that i read on in one of your books that

2930
01:43:03,430 --> 01:43:00,719
really intrigued me about penelope

2931
01:43:05,750 --> 01:43:03,440
um yeah really stuck with me dude i mean

2932
01:43:07,830 --> 01:43:05,760
it was my it's in the new book actually

2933
01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:07,840
but uh yeah the penelope

2934
01:43:11,590 --> 01:43:09,679
signings up in the sierra nevada's

2935
01:43:12,629 --> 01:43:11,600
that's pretty bizarre

2936
01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:12,639
uh and

2937
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:14,800
quite frankly i i didn't even really

2938
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:16,400
come up with the name until i talked to

2939
01:43:20,470 --> 01:43:18,719
one of the rangers up there

2940
01:43:22,830 --> 01:43:20,480
and then it was seen like crossing the

2941
01:43:26,229 --> 01:43:22,840
road on all fours too yeah

2942
01:43:27,590 --> 01:43:26,239
yeah yeah i mean it's

2943
01:43:29,910 --> 01:43:27,600
you know

2944
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:29,920
that's it's weird i mean this whole this

2945
01:43:33,430 --> 01:43:30,960
whole

2946
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:33,440
pale humanoid

2947
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:36,400
phenomena is just bizarre i mean that's

2948
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:38,800
all i can say it is i mean it just seems

2949
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:40,800
yeah well there's another picture

2950
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:42,960
that's my sliding

2951
01:43:46,870 --> 01:43:44,560
now

2952
01:43:47,590 --> 01:43:46,880
if you guys looked at that if that if

2953
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:47,600
you

2954
01:43:53,990 --> 01:43:52,000
i had i had a forensic artist

2955
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:54,000
developed that picture of my setting

2956
01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:55,920
from 1981

2957
01:44:01,510 --> 01:43:58,400
and this is what i saw now

2958
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:01,520
if you saw that thing and you had a gun

2959
01:44:05,669 --> 01:44:03,520
or if you had your tensions to shoot a

2960
01:44:08,070 --> 01:44:05,679
bigfoot would you shoot that or would

2961
01:44:10,229 --> 01:44:08,080
that be too human for you

2962
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:10,239
yeah far too human

2963
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:13,280
yeah wait way way way too human

2964
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:14,639
absolutely

2965
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:16,080
truth be told i wouldn't shoot it in

2966
01:44:20,229 --> 01:44:18,239
general unless i wouldn't either but i'm

2967
01:44:22,229 --> 01:44:20,239
just saying let's say um but you had to

2968
01:44:24,470 --> 01:44:22,239
make a determination

2969
01:44:26,229 --> 01:44:24,480
if he was attacking me i'd go for it oh

2970
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:26,239
yeah yeah well attacking's different

2971
01:44:30,229 --> 01:44:28,480
yeah well i was within 40 foot of this

2972
01:44:32,390 --> 01:44:30,239
thing

2973
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:32,400
it was about eight foot

2974
01:44:36,629 --> 01:44:34,800
and it looked just like that

2975
01:44:38,229 --> 01:44:36,639
and i've always described as looking

2976
01:44:40,390 --> 01:44:38,239
like a neanderthal

2977
01:44:43,430 --> 01:44:40,400
and i think that's probably as good as

2978
01:44:44,950 --> 01:44:43,440
description as anything but it did look

2979
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:44,960
more human

2980
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:47,440
uh now the body was huge you know

2981
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:49,600
it was definitely male

2982
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:51,679
i saw the genitalia in this thing and

2983
01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:54,239
you know it was it was just huge

2984
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:56,000
but

2985
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:58,800
i this is this was before i even started

2986
01:45:03,109 --> 01:45:00,719
looking into any type of cryptics or any

2987
01:45:05,830 --> 01:45:03,119
type of bigfoot or anything

2988
01:45:07,270 --> 01:45:05,840
but i had my encounter with this thing

2989
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:07,280
so

2990
01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:09,600
i i really didn't even think of bigfoot

2991
01:45:12,550 --> 01:45:11,040
when i saw it

2992
01:45:15,669 --> 01:45:12,560
i didn't know what the hell i thought it

2993
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:15,679
was be honest with you

2994
01:45:20,550 --> 01:45:17,520
well lon you you had told me that you

2995
01:45:23,030 --> 01:45:20,560
your parents had ran an antique store

2996
01:45:24,709 --> 01:45:23,040
right they they used to collect antiques

2997
01:45:27,430 --> 01:45:24,719
collect antiques and you had told me

2998
01:45:29,990 --> 01:45:27,440
that you had seen spirit type

2999
01:45:31,030 --> 01:45:30,000
you know things yeah and so i mean there

3000
01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:31,040
again

3001
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:33,520
it seems like a lot of people that see

3002
01:45:39,510 --> 01:45:37,040
dog men and different creatures you know

3003
01:45:42,149 --> 01:45:39,520
they they tend to people that have seen

3004
01:45:44,470 --> 01:45:42,159
spirits i mean like most every witness

3005
01:45:46,390 --> 01:45:44,480
i've talked to has seeing a ghost of

3006
01:45:48,070 --> 01:45:46,400
some kind it's very rare that you just

3007
01:45:50,070 --> 01:45:48,080
talk to somebody that's all they've seen

3008
01:45:52,310 --> 01:45:50,080
i'm an intuitive and i've always been an

3009
01:45:55,270 --> 01:45:52,320
intuitive and even when i was i had an

3010
01:45:57,910 --> 01:45:55,280
encounter when i was nine at gettysburg

3011
01:45:59,910 --> 01:45:57,920
i um had something happen that convinced

3012
01:46:01,350 --> 01:45:59,920
me that i was different

3013
01:46:03,510 --> 01:46:01,360
so yeah i

3014
01:46:07,350 --> 01:46:03,520
i've always been intuitive i could

3015
01:46:11,310 --> 01:46:07,360
detect spirit energy around me

3016
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:13,270
manifestations

3017
01:46:17,510 --> 01:46:15,199
though i i have

3018
01:46:19,270 --> 01:46:17,520
my minds i have seen a lot of different

3019
01:46:21,590 --> 01:46:19,280
things

3020
01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:21,600
uh you know i've always wondered if with

3021
01:46:25,990 --> 01:46:23,520
my experiences that i've had with

3022
01:46:27,669 --> 01:46:26,000
cryptids

3023
01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:27,679
because i had a winged humanoid setting

3024
01:46:30,870 --> 01:46:29,840
in 88.

3025
01:46:33,590 --> 01:46:30,880
what really

3026
01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:33,600
yeah oh yeah was i predestined to see

3027
01:46:38,550 --> 01:46:35,520
that thing because of what's going on in

3028
01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:38,560
chicago now with my investigations

3029
01:46:43,669 --> 01:46:40,480
because quite frankly

3030
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:43,679
you know that whole thing

3031
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:45,840
has taken a life of its own you know

3032
01:46:50,709 --> 01:46:48,000
it's you know we we started getting this

3033
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:50,719
2011 was the first sighting but 2017 is

3034
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:52,960
where it really started picking up

3035
01:46:57,910 --> 01:46:56,080
uh and you know we're getting more and

3036
01:46:59,270 --> 01:46:57,920
more and it's continuing on all these

3037
01:47:03,189 --> 01:46:59,280
years

3038
01:47:04,950 --> 01:47:03,199
but what i saw in 1988 was very similar

3039
01:47:07,990 --> 01:47:04,960
to what people are seeing

3040
01:47:09,430 --> 01:47:08,000
in chicago now uh the red the real red

3041
01:47:11,109 --> 01:47:09,440
eyes

3042
01:47:13,590 --> 01:47:11,119
dark

3043
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:13,600
able to propel itself without unthrowing

3044
01:47:16,550 --> 01:47:15,119
its wings

3045
01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:16,560
that type of thing

3046
01:47:19,990 --> 01:47:18,560
yeah jumping straight up yeah i got one

3047
01:47:22,229 --> 01:47:20,000
from uh from

3048
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:22,239
funny we were talking about pennsylvania

3049
01:47:25,669 --> 01:47:24,080
ron talking about pennsylvania this is

3050
01:47:27,430 --> 01:47:25,679
in philadelphia

3051
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:27,440
um a guy was walking home this happened

3052
01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:29,920
i think in 1997

3053
01:47:34,470 --> 01:47:32,560
um and he was walking by an abandoned

3054
01:47:35,910 --> 01:47:34,480
apart was under renovation apartment

3055
01:47:37,270 --> 01:47:35,920
complex nobody was living there and he

3056
01:47:38,870 --> 01:47:37,280
saw somebody sitting up there on the

3057
01:47:39,750 --> 01:47:38,880
second or third floor i can't remember

3058
01:47:42,310 --> 01:47:39,760
which

3059
01:47:44,070 --> 01:47:42,320
but as he walked by it stood up and at

3060
01:47:45,990 --> 01:47:44,080
an angle kind of over the railing and

3061
01:47:47,830 --> 01:47:46,000
then just went straight up and then

3062
01:47:49,350 --> 01:47:47,840
began to fly away

3063
01:47:51,270 --> 01:47:49,360
and it scared the crap out of him and

3064
01:47:53,109 --> 01:47:51,280
he's there walking by himself in the

3065
01:47:54,550 --> 01:47:53,119
dark you know he's like that's crazy i

3066
01:47:55,910 --> 01:47:54,560
mean it just looked like a man and then

3067
01:47:57,910 --> 01:47:55,920
it was like whoop and the wings were

3068
01:48:00,229 --> 01:47:57,920
still behind it and it just looked like

3069
01:48:02,629 --> 01:48:00,239
a person that had jumped like jumped up

3070
01:48:05,350 --> 01:48:02,639
in the air like at an angle

3071
01:48:07,109 --> 01:48:05,360
um what i was going to say about the pel

3072
01:48:09,510 --> 01:48:07,119
crawler creatures

3073
01:48:12,070 --> 01:48:09,520
they tend to be in areas where bigfoot

3074
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:12,080
and dogman run around and i asked

3075
01:48:14,870 --> 01:48:13,199
somebody

3076
01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:14,880
uh recently if they thought that they

3077
01:48:18,870 --> 01:48:17,440
could be that could be their form and

3078
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:18,880
then they'd take on the form of a

3079
01:48:22,390 --> 01:48:20,639
bigfoot or a dog man they said no they

3080
01:48:23,350 --> 01:48:22,400
don't believe that

3081
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:23,360
well

3082
01:48:29,910 --> 01:48:27,910
why are you always found in the same

3083
01:48:31,990 --> 01:48:29,920
area the only thing i can think of is

3084
01:48:34,470 --> 01:48:32,000
like how lions and leopards leopards

3085
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:34,480
live up in the trees these humanoid pale

3086
01:48:37,910 --> 01:48:36,239
humanoid creatures tend to live up in

3087
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:37,920
trees

3088
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:39,760
and then of course lions they run around

3089
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:41,760
in packs and oftentimes you'll find dog

3090
01:48:45,030 --> 01:48:43,600
men in groups just like bigfoot they're

3091
01:48:46,709 --> 01:48:45,040
not always alone

3092
01:48:48,390 --> 01:48:46,719
but these pale humanoid creatures are

3093
01:48:49,510 --> 01:48:48,400
almost always alone and they are

3094
01:48:51,430 --> 01:48:49,520
originally

3095
01:48:52,950 --> 01:48:51,440
yeah kind of like a leopard you know

3096
01:48:57,510 --> 01:48:52,960
it's a heck of a way to make a living

3097
01:49:02,229 --> 01:49:00,229
yeah i um like i said i wrote a book

3098
01:49:03,990 --> 01:49:02,239
that just came out about these

3099
01:49:05,830 --> 01:49:04,000
i call it the mean humanoids because i

3100
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:05,840
based on maybe that some of these

3101
01:49:11,109 --> 01:49:07,520
sightings may have been

3102
01:49:14,550 --> 01:49:11,119
uh thought forms from memes or you know

3103
01:49:16,149 --> 01:49:14,560
uh just like slenderman and

3104
01:49:17,350 --> 01:49:16,159
those type of beings

3105
01:49:20,629 --> 01:49:17,360
but um

3106
01:49:24,950 --> 01:49:22,870
even right after writing the book i have

3107
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:24,960
really no idea are we are we

3108
01:49:31,750 --> 01:49:28,400
experiencing some type of um new

3109
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:31,760
humanoid type species on our earth plane

3110
01:49:35,510 --> 01:49:34,320
that we are we're seeing the nexus of

3111
01:49:38,149 --> 01:49:35,520
this thing

3112
01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:38,159
i have no idea

3113
01:49:45,030 --> 01:49:42,880
question up you up in the air for

3114
01:49:49,669 --> 01:49:45,040
whoever reads the book to answer or to

3115
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:52,149
somebody somebody actually gave me an

3116
01:49:57,109 --> 01:49:53,520
idea one day

3117
01:49:58,950 --> 01:49:57,119
one of my listeners and she said that

3118
01:50:01,669 --> 01:49:58,960
she asked the the question when i had

3119
01:50:02,390 --> 01:50:01,679
talked about the anunnaki that that they

3120
01:50:04,229 --> 01:50:02,400
are

3121
01:50:06,470 --> 01:50:04,239
because she believes that like you know

3122
01:50:07,830 --> 01:50:06,480
the stitching work that they're like

3123
01:50:10,550 --> 01:50:07,840
from nibiru

3124
01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:10,560
and if they are to return are these

3125
01:50:14,229 --> 01:50:12,480
creatures like the dog man and these

3126
01:50:15,109 --> 01:50:14,239
other types of

3127
01:50:17,430 --> 01:50:15,119
you know

3128
01:50:18,790 --> 01:50:17,440
cryptid type creatures like these pale

3129
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:18,800
humanoids

3130
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:20,000
if they were

3131
01:50:25,430 --> 01:50:22,560
cultivated and created in labs by the by

3132
01:50:26,790 --> 01:50:25,440
the anunnaki okay like in genesis 6 it

3133
01:50:28,470 --> 01:50:26,800
says that they they bred with the

3134
01:50:30,629 --> 01:50:28,480
daughters of you know men

3135
01:50:32,070 --> 01:50:30,639
of man and that they they you know they

3136
01:50:33,910 --> 01:50:32,080
had all these and then they created all

3137
01:50:35,430 --> 01:50:33,920
kinds of abominations

3138
01:50:37,270 --> 01:50:35,440
um a lot of people get the idea that

3139
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:37,280
they were breeding with these animals

3140
01:50:41,669 --> 01:50:39,119
but i think it's pretty obvious what

3141
01:50:44,229 --> 01:50:41,679
they were doing was genetic splicing

3142
01:50:46,149 --> 01:50:44,239
and they were creating hybrids

3143
01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:46,159
and maybe like i said with the with the

3144
01:50:49,750 --> 01:50:48,639
dog man that they are a type of guardian

3145
01:50:51,750 --> 01:50:49,760
animal

3146
01:50:53,189 --> 01:50:51,760
uh not only do they guard their their

3147
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:53,199
portals

3148
01:50:57,109 --> 01:50:55,440
their entry points and things like that

3149
01:50:58,629 --> 01:50:57,119
but they could be something that could

3150
01:51:02,070 --> 01:50:58,639
be used to

3151
01:51:04,950 --> 01:51:02,080
go after and seize people who whatever

3152
01:51:07,430 --> 01:51:04,960
uh if the anunnaki returned would they

3153
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:07,440
be able to just put out a signal and

3154
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:09,119
where they awaken all these creatures

3155
01:51:13,669 --> 01:51:11,520
and these creatures that once

3156
01:51:16,070 --> 01:51:13,679
you know were ruled by them it's in

3157
01:51:17,990 --> 01:51:16,080
their dna to follow them and to do what

3158
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:18,000
to do their bidding and i thought that's

3159
01:51:22,149 --> 01:51:20,560
a horrific thought they come back

3160
01:51:23,830 --> 01:51:22,159
basically for all intents and purposes

3161
01:51:24,950 --> 01:51:23,840
and alien species which is what we would

3162
01:51:26,470 --> 01:51:24,960
be too

3163
01:51:28,470 --> 01:51:26,480
although we've been living here you know

3164
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:28,480
thinking hey this is our planet

3165
01:51:33,510 --> 01:51:30,239
and then they come back and the first

3166
01:51:34,629 --> 01:51:33,520
thing they do is start you know

3167
01:51:35,830 --> 01:51:34,639
kind of like the

3168
01:51:38,229 --> 01:51:35,840
the show horn

3169
01:51:39,750 --> 01:51:38,239
you know and they start using it to call

3170
01:51:40,709 --> 01:51:39,760
these creatures to them and to do

3171
01:51:42,470 --> 01:51:40,719
whatever

3172
01:51:44,709 --> 01:51:42,480
and to wipe us out

3173
01:51:46,149 --> 01:51:44,719
um that's a horrific thought and it's

3174
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:46,159
actually it sounds like the beginning of

3175
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:48,239
a horror movie you know like what could

3176
01:51:53,350 --> 01:51:49,199
you know

3177
01:51:54,870 --> 01:51:53,360
yeah she she posed that to me and i

3178
01:51:56,629 --> 01:51:54,880
thought i don't know what would happen

3179
01:51:58,390 --> 01:51:56,639
but that that's that's terrifying you

3180
01:51:59,669 --> 01:51:58,400
know it's something that i've

3181
01:52:01,669 --> 01:51:59,679
thought about and i thought man that

3182
01:52:03,270 --> 01:52:01,679
would be like the most awful thing of

3183
01:52:05,270 --> 01:52:03,280
these things just running in the streets

3184
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:05,280
and then when you try to shoot them

3185
01:52:08,950 --> 01:52:07,040
it doesn't really do anything it doesn't

3186
01:52:10,390 --> 01:52:08,960
really hurt them you just got pieces of

3187
01:52:13,750 --> 01:52:10,400
flesh flying off of them because they're

3188
01:52:15,189 --> 01:52:13,760
just really animated flesh

3189
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:15,199
i don't know

3190
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:16,560
well

3191
01:52:19,990 --> 01:52:18,880
guys i think i'm going to wrap this up

3192
01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:20,000
so

3193
01:52:24,629 --> 01:52:21,840
first of all i want to thank each and

3194
01:52:26,550 --> 01:52:24,639
each one of you for coming on here uh

3195
01:52:27,669 --> 01:52:26,560
i'd like to have each and each of you

3196
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:27,679
tell

3197
01:52:32,629 --> 01:52:30,480
the audience how they can contact you

3198
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:32,639
uh if you've got any books and maybe

3199
01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:34,080
something's coming up that you're going

3200
01:52:37,030 --> 01:52:35,920
to be involved with so let me start with

3201
01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:37,040
josh

3202
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:39,280
and uh to

3203
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:41,599
talk to our folks

3204
01:52:44,790 --> 01:52:43,199
um

3205
01:52:48,390 --> 01:52:44,800
you know i'm supposed to be working on a

3206
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:48,400
book and i'm so busy with my my business

3207
01:52:53,910 --> 01:52:50,480
and and doing all the things that i'm

3208
01:52:56,790 --> 01:52:53,920
doing i just can't even find the time to

3209
01:52:58,950 --> 01:52:56,800
i wish i could get one put out i can say

3210
01:53:02,070 --> 01:52:58,960
this that lon does a lot of good work

3211
01:53:04,229 --> 01:53:02,080
and and show to you uh kenny your book

3212
01:53:05,350 --> 01:53:04,239
american cryptids is top notch man let

3213
01:53:07,510 --> 01:53:05,360
me tell you

3214
01:53:10,629 --> 01:53:07,520
um and i'm sure your next book is going

3215
01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:13,109
so you know as far as i go just podcast

3216
01:53:17,750 --> 01:53:14,960
comes on tuesdays

3217
01:53:19,189 --> 01:53:17,760
uh our uh fridays is the podcast and we

3218
01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:19,199
we distribute it on 12 different

3219
01:53:23,109 --> 01:53:20,560
platforms

3220
01:53:25,270 --> 01:53:23,119
uh tuesday is a live stream we do two or

3221
01:53:27,030 --> 01:53:25,280
three hours you know usually on the live

3222
01:53:28,870 --> 01:53:27,040
stream people ask questions sometimes

3223
01:53:30,709 --> 01:53:28,880
people come on and tell their stories i

3224
01:53:32,790 --> 01:53:30,719
tell people stories

3225
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:32,800
and we do a q a

3226
01:53:36,550 --> 01:53:34,800
and we have a good time it's paranormal

3227
01:53:38,709 --> 01:53:36,560
roundtable and if you got any stories

3228
01:53:40,229 --> 01:53:38,719
you want to send me

3229
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:40,239
and we can talk about it or whatever

3230
01:53:44,709 --> 01:53:43,760
it's josh turner prtpodcast.com

3231
01:53:47,589 --> 01:53:44,719
um

3232
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:47,599
but yeah i i definitely uh uh

3233
01:53:52,709 --> 01:53:50,400
tell advocate you know lon

3234
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:52,719
i do uh get books from lon that he

3235
01:53:56,470 --> 01:53:54,480
autographs and i give those away as

3236
01:53:57,910 --> 01:53:56,480
giveaways so you know if you listen to

3237
01:53:59,510 --> 01:53:57,920
my show you might get one of kenny's

3238
01:54:02,149 --> 01:53:59,520
books you might get one of lon's books

3239
01:54:07,510 --> 01:54:05,990
and i appreciate that josh yeah

3240
01:54:09,589 --> 01:54:07,520
how about you ron

3241
01:54:11,270 --> 01:54:09,599
um well let's see what i'm going to be

3242
01:54:13,589 --> 01:54:11,280
doing next things are starting to open

3243
01:54:16,390 --> 01:54:13,599
back up uh so in a few months i will be

3244
01:54:17,910 --> 01:54:16,400
at the kecksburg ufo festival in

3245
01:54:20,550 --> 01:54:17,920
beautiful downtown kecksburg

3246
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:20,560
pennsylvania uh with stan gordon uh

3247
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:22,480
that's going to be uh

3248
01:54:27,350 --> 01:54:25,360
the next the last weekend in july so if

3249
01:54:29,750 --> 01:54:27,360
anybody's in western pennsylvania the

3250
01:54:32,149 --> 01:54:29,760
kecksburg festival is indeed going to be

3251
01:54:34,709 --> 01:54:32,159
up and running um and i will be with

3252
01:54:37,350 --> 01:54:34,719
kenny i believe in august and we will be

3253
01:54:39,830 --> 01:54:37,360
up in uh lake champlain oh well we will

3254
01:54:42,470 --> 01:54:39,840
be up in vermont together so uh i'll get

3255
01:54:45,030 --> 01:54:42,480
to finally meet him in person um you can

3256
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:45,040
get all my books on amazon ronald l

3257
01:54:50,550 --> 01:54:47,440
murphy jr i've written books on

3258
01:54:52,229 --> 01:54:50,560
bigfoot and werewolves and lake monsters

3259
01:54:53,030 --> 01:54:52,239
and witches and all that other good

3260
01:54:55,030 --> 01:54:53,040
stuff

3261
01:54:57,830 --> 01:54:55,040
um and uh or you can you know social

3262
01:55:00,470 --> 01:54:57,840
media as well too uh ronaldo murphy jr

3263
01:55:02,390 --> 01:55:00,480
on facebook you can like me uh or what

3264
01:55:03,910 --> 01:55:02,400
have you and i always look forward to

3265
01:55:05,350 --> 01:55:03,920
chatting to people as well too and i was

3266
01:55:07,589 --> 01:55:05,360
so glad to see

3267
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:07,599
dave scott from spacetime radio at the

3268
01:55:11,270 --> 01:55:09,360
very final moment

3269
01:55:13,669 --> 01:55:11,280
comes on in to say hello so it was good

3270
01:55:15,750 --> 01:55:13,679
to see him here as well

3271
01:55:19,030 --> 01:55:15,760
how are you kenny

3272
01:55:22,790 --> 01:55:19,040
all right yeah um so i can be contacted

3273
01:55:27,030 --> 01:55:22,800
via facebook instagram um or my website

3274
01:55:30,229 --> 01:55:28,189
or

3275
01:55:33,350 --> 01:55:30,239
thecryptopunkologist.com uh some of the

3276
01:55:35,109 --> 01:55:33,360
locations i'm to be at um march 25th to

3277
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:35,119
the 27th i'm going to be in rochester

3278
01:55:41,030 --> 01:55:37,840
new york at the rochester para fest

3279
01:55:43,990 --> 01:55:41,040
uh may 7th i'm going to be in

3280
01:55:45,510 --> 01:55:44,000
town tennessee at the smoky mountain

3281
01:55:47,270 --> 01:55:45,520
bigfoot festival

3282
01:55:48,870 --> 01:55:47,280
i'll be there with ron moorhead ken

3283
01:55:51,430 --> 01:55:48,880
gerhart and um

3284
01:55:53,430 --> 01:55:51,440
uh our friends guys from the mountain

3285
01:55:55,589 --> 01:55:53,440
monsters uh

3286
01:55:58,629 --> 01:55:55,599
july 30th i'll be in michigan at the

3287
01:56:00,870 --> 01:55:58,639
michigan bigfoot conference um lyle

3288
01:56:03,910 --> 01:56:00,880
blackburn's going to be there as well

3289
01:56:06,149 --> 01:56:03,920
um like uh ron had mentioned um

3290
01:56:08,229 --> 01:56:06,159
on august 6th uh we're gonna be in port

3291
01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:08,239
henry new york at the uh champ lake

3292
01:56:11,109 --> 01:56:09,520
champlain

3293
01:56:13,109 --> 01:56:11,119
monster festival

3294
01:56:16,390 --> 01:56:13,119
uh september 24th i'll be in whitehall

3295
01:56:17,669 --> 01:56:16,400
new york at the sasquatch festival and

3296
01:56:25,109 --> 01:56:17,679
um

3297
01:56:27,030 --> 01:56:25,119
they're putting together and i'm just

3298
01:56:28,229 --> 01:56:27,040
going to be a vendor at it so i wanted

3299
01:56:30,310 --> 01:56:28,239
to be at the first one it's called the

3300
01:56:32,470 --> 01:56:30,320
sleepy hollow paracon

3301
01:56:36,229 --> 01:56:32,480
um it's gonna be in terrytown new york

3302
01:56:38,629 --> 01:56:36,239
that is october 22nd um as far as books

3303
01:56:40,709 --> 01:56:38,639
um i've got uh american cryptids in

3304
01:56:42,550 --> 01:56:40,719
pursuit of the elusive creatures

3305
01:56:44,709 --> 01:56:42,560
that you can get on amazon you can get

3306
01:56:47,030 --> 01:56:44,719
it at some other locations but obviously

3307
01:56:49,189 --> 01:56:47,040
amazon's the easiest that was released

3308
01:56:51,750 --> 01:56:49,199
through beyond the fray publishing i've

3309
01:56:53,589 --> 01:56:51,760
got another one coming out late

3310
01:56:56,709 --> 01:56:53,599
summer of this year called um

3311
01:56:58,629 --> 01:56:56,719
international cryptids and legends i'm

3312
01:57:01,109 --> 01:56:58,639
looking forward to having that out and

3313
01:57:02,870 --> 01:57:01,119
um having a forward written by a good

3314
01:57:05,030 --> 01:57:02,880
friend of mine

3315
01:57:06,950 --> 01:57:05,040
and i have um

3316
01:57:08,709 --> 01:57:06,960
two young readers chapter books one

3317
01:57:10,310 --> 01:57:08,719
called stanley riker in the bigfoot

3318
01:57:13,430 --> 01:57:10,320
runaround which was released through

3319
01:57:15,589 --> 01:57:13,440
dark moon publishing and um just

3320
01:57:19,109 --> 01:57:15,599
recently back in i'd say september

3321
01:57:21,030 --> 01:57:19,119
october i released um alexandria in the

3322
01:57:22,470 --> 01:57:21,040
moonlight caper another young readers

3323
01:57:24,709 --> 01:57:22,480
chapter book

3324
01:57:27,270 --> 01:57:24,719
that was published through uh hanger

3325
01:57:29,350 --> 01:57:27,280
hangar one publishing um who doug

3326
01:57:31,510 --> 01:57:29,360
hasheck the producer and creator of

3327
01:57:34,629 --> 01:57:31,520
monster quest uh owns that publishing

3328
01:57:36,470 --> 01:57:34,639
company so um i love talking with people

3329
01:57:38,229 --> 01:57:36,480
and uh so you know definitely reach out

3330
01:57:40,470 --> 01:57:38,239
to me if you have any questions or you

3331
01:57:44,070 --> 01:57:40,480
just want to say hi

3332
01:57:48,390 --> 01:57:46,070
well i reckon my main platform is going

3333
01:57:50,229 --> 01:57:48,400
to be on youtube the cryptid studies

3334
01:57:52,790 --> 01:57:50,239
institute i make all sorts of

3335
01:57:54,709 --> 01:57:52,800
documentaries about things have happened

3336
01:57:57,189 --> 01:57:54,719
over in east tennessee over in my neck

3337
01:57:58,790 --> 01:57:57,199
of the woods of clarksville tennessee

3338
01:58:00,709 --> 01:57:58,800
kentucky

3339
01:58:02,390 --> 01:58:00,719
all sorts of different things

3340
01:58:04,709 --> 01:58:02,400
so that's going to be my main platform

3341
01:58:06,870 --> 01:58:04,719
people can reach me there facebook

3342
01:58:08,629 --> 01:58:06,880
instagram i'm a couple of different

3343
01:58:11,030 --> 01:58:08,639
places like that

3344
01:58:12,950 --> 01:58:11,040
i reckon the next project i got going on

3345
01:58:14,870 --> 01:58:12,960
is i got a documentary coming out about

3346
01:58:16,870 --> 01:58:14,880
indian mountain tennessee it's just

3347
01:58:18,790 --> 01:58:16,880
about just a rocks throw away from land

3348
01:58:20,510 --> 01:58:18,800
between the lakes so it's it's had quite

3349
01:58:22,950 --> 01:58:20,520
a bit of share of

3350
01:58:24,550 --> 01:58:22,960
interesting stuff going on there got a

3351
01:58:26,950 --> 01:58:24,560
gentleman who swears he's seeing a chunk

3352
01:58:28,950 --> 01:58:26,960
of work in there uh so that ought to

3353
01:58:30,709 --> 01:58:28,960
provide a lot of interest for people

3354
01:58:32,470 --> 01:58:30,719
and it eventually somewhere down the

3355
01:58:34,390 --> 01:58:32,480
line i plan to do one more part of the

3356
01:58:35,430 --> 01:58:34,400
bellwich series to close things up on

3357
01:58:38,229 --> 01:58:35,440
that

3358
01:58:39,589 --> 01:58:38,239
particular series but i don't know when

3359
01:58:42,390 --> 01:58:39,599
so

3360
01:58:44,629 --> 01:58:42,400
that's what i got going on

3361
01:58:46,229 --> 01:58:44,639
well gentlemen i appreciate you you

3362
01:58:47,589 --> 01:58:46,239
taking the time to come home with us

3363
01:58:49,030 --> 01:58:47,599
this evening

3364
01:58:51,910 --> 01:58:49,040
and

3365
01:58:53,510 --> 01:58:51,920
hopefully we'll come back again

3366
01:58:55,109 --> 01:58:53,520
hey ron i wanted to tell you it was a

3367
01:58:57,109 --> 01:58:55,119
pleasure meeting you

3368
01:59:00,470 --> 01:58:57,119
and uh i'd like to get together with you

3369
01:59:03,589 --> 01:59:00,480
about your books um i do i would like to

3370
01:59:05,750 --> 01:59:03,599
to read those and and check them out and

3371
01:59:07,750 --> 01:59:05,760
maybe you can uh send me some of those

3372
01:59:09,910 --> 01:59:07,760
autographed and i could use them on my

3373
01:59:11,430 --> 01:59:09,920
show as giveaways just uh absolutely my

3374
01:59:13,109 --> 01:59:11,440
brother absolutely yeah just get in

3375
01:59:14,149 --> 01:59:13,119
touch with me and uh we'll make that

3376
01:59:16,310 --> 01:59:14,159
happen

3377
01:59:17,510 --> 01:59:16,320
absolutely yeah just find me yeah

3378
01:59:19,270 --> 01:59:17,520
because i've been i was looking forward

3379
01:59:21,830 --> 01:59:19,280
to meeting you i just i had never never

3380
01:59:23,270 --> 01:59:21,840
met you or spoken to you so

3381
01:59:24,550 --> 01:59:23,280
well i appreciate it yes we'll have to

3382
01:59:25,990 --> 01:59:24,560
have each other on each other's shows

3383
01:59:28,149 --> 01:59:26,000
sometime too

3384
01:59:30,550 --> 01:59:28,159
yeah elon thank you for the invite i

3385
01:59:33,109 --> 01:59:30,560
really appreciate it absolutely

3386
01:59:35,109 --> 01:59:33,119
yeah thank you yes thank you brother

3387
01:59:40,550 --> 01:59:35,119
okay well you all have a good weekend

3388
01:59:44,310 --> 01:59:42,390
now if you have an unexplained encounter

3389
01:59:46,390 --> 01:59:44,320
or sighting feel free to contact me

3390
01:59:48,310 --> 01:59:46,400
directly at lawn strickler

3391
01:59:50,229 --> 01:59:48,320
familymonsters.com

3392
01:59:51,189 --> 01:59:50,239
or through the phantoms of monsters blog

3393
01:59:53,189 --> 01:59:51,199
site

3394
01:59:56,629 --> 01:59:53,199
also if you'd like to have your

3395
01:59:58,550 --> 01:59:56,639
encounter or sighting read on the show

3396
02:00:01,669 --> 01:59:58,560
please forward it to my email

3397
02:00:05,830 --> 02:00:03,990
now once again thanks my guest for

3398
02:00:06,709 --> 02:00:05,840
coming on this evening

3399
02:00:08,470 --> 02:00:06,719
uh

3400
02:00:11,189 --> 02:00:08,480
i thought it was very enjoyable i hope

3401
02:00:13,910 --> 02:00:11,199
you did as well and we can do this again

3402
02:00:15,669 --> 02:00:13,920
uh and thanks to each and all you for

3403
02:00:17,830 --> 02:00:15,679
watching and chatting

3404
02:00:20,390 --> 02:00:17,840
uh if you made a super chat donation

3405
02:00:22,550 --> 02:00:20,400
it's truly appreciated your chat excuse

3406
02:00:24,830 --> 02:00:22,560
me your support is what makes us

3407
02:00:26,550 --> 02:00:24,840
possible so please like share and

3408
02:00:28,870 --> 02:00:26,560
subscribe

3409
02:00:31,189 --> 02:00:28,880
so uh my new book the meme humanoids

3410
02:00:32,149 --> 02:00:31,199
modern myths are real monsters is now

3411
02:00:34,790 --> 02:00:32,159
available

3412
02:00:37,510 --> 02:00:34,800
at amazon.com and we talked a bit about

3413
02:00:40,070 --> 02:00:37,520
it tonight so next week

3414
02:00:41,750 --> 02:00:40,080
we'll have chad lewis joining us and as

3415
02:00:44,390 --> 02:00:41,760
you may know chad

3416
02:00:46,470 --> 02:00:44,400
is one of the foremost paranormal 14

3417
02:00:48,629 --> 02:00:46,480
researchers among us

3418
02:00:50,790 --> 02:00:48,639
has written dozens of books

3419
02:00:52,629 --> 02:00:50,800
about most aspects of the unknown the

3420
02:00:55,189 --> 02:00:52,639
unexplained

3421
02:00:58,070 --> 02:00:55,199
it should be a great conversation so

3422
02:01:03,860 --> 02:00:58,080
until next week stay healthy and have a